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Re: “'Til Death Do Us Pay: Legislators Consider Divorcing Alimony Law

The laws of Vermont, particularly vsa 665, are completely rigged against men and their children. It is truly disgusting. There are countless women who remarry but they keep their new husband finances separate and in that way force the first husband to keep supporting paying alimony to support ex wife and the new husband. Even worse, in almost all instances children are stripped of time away from their father in order for more time to be spent with mother, which of course also results in increased child support. So much for equality, apparently equality only applies to transgenders and gays but not to children and their fathers.It's funny how Vermonters pride themselves as defenders of equal rights, yet prevent kids from having access to their very own dad. What a bunch of hypocrites. I would love to hear all the radical Vermont feminist, Defenders of equality, explain why in parenting both parents are not equal in Vermont. Truly a disgusting place.

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Posted by Scotty Johnston on 03/10/2017 at 9:10 PM

Re: “'Til Death Do Us Pay: Legislators Consider Divorcing Alimony Law

If nothing else, the remarriage of the recipient MUST be grounds for termination of the alimony paid by the first husband. If not then the second husband is now absolved of the most basic intent of marriage and that is to take care of his spouse. Not only that but now the first husband is supporting the second husband. If nothing else, Vermont should at least fix THAT egregious error. As far as I have been able to determine, VT is the only state that perm alimony doesn't end automatically on remarriage. And I would be willing to bet the house that it is also the only state that the recipients are actually remarrying. What does that say? Come on legislators....get your hands out of these payors pockets and do the right thing. DO THE RIGHT THING.

18 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Tammy Bickford on 03/09/2017 at 2:18 PM

Re: “'Til Death Do Us Pay: Legislators Consider Divorcing Alimony Law

Well Martin , I considered your story . Better 15 years of alimony then forever and ever . This would actually be an improvement for Sue . Maybe not a great improvement but an improvement none the less .

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Posted by Rich ard on 03/09/2017 at 1:11 PM

Re: “'Til Death Do Us Pay: Legislators Consider Divorcing Alimony Law

Consider the following story:

Once upon a time Sue and Judy met at a community river clean out, fell in love and got married. Sue was bright financial wiz and Judy was an aspiring poet. Over their 15 year marriage both Sue and Judy worked hard at their professions, but Sue, due to her chosen career path, enjoyed substantial salary increases to the point of making about 110K a year. Judys income remained about the same hovering around 20K a year selling poetic thoughts embroidered on local woven flax clothe at flea markets.

After 15 years of marriage it came to pass that both had lost that loving feeling. One evening, after large bottle of cheap red wine, Sue confided to Judy that she felt strongly that she was lazy, and so stupid she couldnt even produce anything better than a nursery rhyme.

Judy, filed for divorce siting emotional abuse and asked for alimony. The Judge, a closet poet, promptly whipped out their handy dandy freshly printed Alimony Guideline and deduced that:

Party A 110,000
Party B 20,000
Difference 90,000
15 year rule factoring the emotional abuse of a poet yields 45% thus it came to pass that Sue pays $40,500.00 annually for 14 years.

This is the Alimony Reform being proposed by the Vermont Judicial Committee with the blessing of the Vermont BAR.

It is also the reason why a Task Force of ALL key stake holders needs to happen!

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Posted by Martin on 03/08/2017 at 9:25 PM

Re: “'Til Death Do Us Pay: Legislators Consider Divorcing Alimony Law

It's strange that Seven Days didn't attempt to get the other side of any of these stories, despite noting their absence. It also doesn't mention why the VSC would decline Fleming's challenge, or provide any information about why others speaking at the hearing failed to convince the courts to revise their payments. Whatever your opinion on the topic, those would be interesting and important details for this story.

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Posted by Nate Awrich on 03/08/2017 at 4:54 PM

Re: “'Til Death Do Us Pay: Legislators Consider Divorcing Alimony Law

Why are we marginalizing folks based on gender? There are male and female payors. True, there may be more men and gender equity isn't quite there yet, but alimony laws as well as reform of the existing and outdated laws would address that. Most families have both persons working today to make ends meet. Often times if either spouse stays home and does make sacrifices which should be accounted for, it is not for an entire lifetime, it is for a few years when the children are young. Why does this entitle someone to be paid for the rest of their life?? In Mr. Fleming's case, his ex-wife is remarried and has a career of her own. One marriage contract has ended and she has entered into another. Why is he on the hook until death? These laws are not archaic, they are ANCIENT and need updating! If it were mostly women paying men, this would have been fixed YEARS ago!

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Posted by Stellarstar on 03/08/2017 at 4:11 PM

Re: “'Til Death Do Us Pay: Legislators Consider Divorcing Alimony Law

My husband parents just went through divorce. She is in her 70's and He early 80s (don't ask me why they waited so long). She never worked an actual job. She initiated the divorced because it was all about the money. The alimony money discussion was tough. She wanted half of his income right off the top. He was diagnosed with possible early Alzheimer's in the middle of divorce. Our lawyer was awesome but advised us to settle the alimony out of court because the courts thought was "hes 82, probably going to die soon, we should give her more money" they settled out of court to avoid him paying more. The laws do need to be changed. But shows how things need to be looked at on a case by case basis.

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Posted by Pixcchic on 03/08/2017 at 12:52 PM

Re: “7 Places to Swim That Are Not Lake Champlain

The Matters have only worsened The Lake George and Lake Champlain Water Shed is an EVEN BIGGER MESS. Seems that Campaign Donations from the CorpORats and Their Banksters allow the SLOBS to make an even BIGGER MESS ...... A Racketeering Suit for 5 BILLION in Clean Up has been forwarded to the US Attorney in New York City and the US ARMY , NOAA and Vermont and New York's ENVIRONMENTAL CONservation Departments are ON NOTICE. https://theadirondacksconspiracy.wordpress… see especially https://theadirondacksconspiracy.wordpress…

Posted by Isacc Witham on 02/23/2017 at 8:16 AM

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