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Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Money was created as a form of control? Open yourself an Economics 101 book please, because money originates because it is a medium of exchange, a common measure of value, a standard of deferred payment, and a store of value. Also just saying "money" is vague. If you made an argument about how fiat currency may limit economic liberty -- maybe I'd listen, but just blaming money without having some kind of logically structured argument as to how and why that will work economically... That's just arm waving, it's not an economic answer to anything.

So making people feel good with platitudes about things they don't understand (like economics), such as saying (paraphrased) "money is the problem!" and making them feel emotional about it (because having money problems IS hard on people)... And then in turn TAKING their money starts to sound like a tactic a cult would use.

You know the real reason why this Ubuntu idea will never work? I do, but I think the people considering it as a good idea need to go read up on a few theories that might prove it otherwise. I'd recommend starting with both "the tragedy of the Commons" and "the prisoners dilemma" (an example of game theory) which in my mind both demonstrate that if people defect from the "we are all equals sharing and singing Kumbaya" -- not only do they benefit themselves greatly, but they also harm those who originally tried to cooperate.

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Posted by economist on 08/27/2016 at 4:24 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Ubuntu is a concept whose time has come. The current system enslaves the 99% and it is high time we reclaim our sovereign right to Live Free. Money was created as a form of control. And boy, it was a brilliant idea that has served the 1% beautifully!

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Posted by Marna Ehrech on 08/26/2016 at 1:20 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Katherine - my guess is that Sedona had too many purple dinosaurs already...err..."medical intuitives." I have my own *intuition* about someone that charges $180 dollars to talk to ghosts and prescribes raw food and thinking super duper hard to "cure" ailments.

http://www.lotuslodgeinn.com/readings-by-krysta.html

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Posted by RDS on 08/25/2016 at 11:02 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Whackos!

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Posted by wmlanza on 08/25/2016 at 8:51 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Why did Krysta and David leave Sedona, AZ?
That's a beautiful place for an Ubuntu contributionism community too?

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Posted by Katherine Patronis on 08/25/2016 at 8:37 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

I find it difficult to imagine that the owners of the Lotus Lodge are surprised by the attention this has received. As a BV resident who has been following this closely, I can explain the attention from my perspective. When their fundraising efforts began, the Lotus Lodge owners posted their intention of purchasing the ski resort and the water and sewer company. (They have since taken this down.) Many of us live in and/or own property in the resort residential zoning district adjacent to the resort. Our homes are hooked into the already maxed-out water and sewer company. Incredibly, in their online monthly collaborative meetings (available on YouTube), Ubuntu folks were saying that the community was entirely on board with the plan and that they were getting a lot of local support. In fact, most of us had NO idea this was being planned. My concern is not just for my own position, but for those in the Ubuntu community being seduced into donating money to the project based on the misinformation of town-wide support of this plan. Transparency from the start might have avoided some of this fuss.

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Posted by VT802 on 08/25/2016 at 3:30 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

That's exactly correct, RDS. Medical intuitive is a real thing (although I would never go to one) and a purple dinosaur is not. You got it. So in using the same language the author would use in allowing the woman to call herself a purple dinosaur, she is casting the same kind of doubt on a profession (again, I would never trust a medical intuitive but many people do).

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Posted by Mt.Philo on 08/25/2016 at 3:15 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Where the rubber meets the road is simple. The current system does NOT work or serve us well and moving towards cooperation not competition and division based on names,words and assumptions but strategies and ideas we can all understand and get behind that benefit ALL involved. That's where the conversation can bring light not heat and be had by those involved NOT so much by spectators.

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Posted by Vinny Oliveira on 08/25/2016 at 12:17 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

The reporter has an agenda - perhaps reality?

Compare:
She describes herself as a purple dinosaur vs. She is a purple dinosaur

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Posted by RDS on 08/25/2016 at 11:55 AM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Its an enviable organic flow in our current structure.
Not a cult, religion or segregated community.
It's using the political structure we have and moving toward more self sustainability and freedom. You have to start with one town. it's a grass roots approach to freedom for all.

Give me a break ! Since when does freedom require 500k. Self sustaining, no electric, no phones, no cable, no sewage system, all organic.
I love how you monkeys play with words. You will create a structure (laws and rules do not equate to freedom), and infrastructure. stop playing with words to suit your agenda. Just say you want life to be free which does not equate to freedom.

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Posted by Red Winter Sky on 08/25/2016 at 11:20 AM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Oh for god's sake. There is no such thing as a "medical intuitive." The author's choice of words was perfectly appropriate.

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Posted by knowyourassumptions on 08/24/2016 at 9:56 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

"She describes herself as a medical intuitive..." is a lot different than saying "She is a medical intuitive." The former seems to undermine the woman while the second states a fact that allows for the reader to judge. Regardless of what this couple is trying to accomplish, whether or not they are a cult, gets lost in this poor choice of words. It comes off like the author has an agenda.

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Posted by Mt.Philo on 08/24/2016 at 8:58 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=G9a9J4XF…

Here is an accurate representation of what we are supporting.
In transparency and truth,

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Posted by mihaljevich on 08/24/2016 at 8:36 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Yeah dig real deep because they take over one town they will take over many more then the whole state of Vermont..there's enough idiots in Vt to fall for this crap.. The extraterrestrial tribe could be taking over Vt!!!.. "Tellinger says he's trying to pioneer a "postcapitalist social structure" without money or any form of trade, in which people share all resources."Yet he's trying to raise $500,000.00 Yup great scam...

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Posted by Donna Boutin on 08/24/2016 at 7:24 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Its an enviable organic flow in our current structure.
Not a cult, religion or segregated community.
It's using the political structure we have and moving toward more self sustainability and freedom. You have to start with one town. it's a grass roots approach to freedom for all.

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Posted by mihaljevich on 08/24/2016 at 7:02 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

wow another cult wants to be in Vermont . shut this down as fast as you can .

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Posted by Guy Flatley on 08/24/2016 at 5:27 PM

Re: “Plans for Utopian 'Ubuntu' Community Cause Stir in Bolton

Whew.

I'm reminded of the controversy presently swirling around Tulsi Gabbard, the congresswoman from Hawaii (and a Bernie Sanders supporter) who has recently been challenged on her assertion that she has been Hindu all her life. People are saying she grew up in a cult called The Science of Identity Foundation. The Huff Post ran this article, and I have follwed Tulsi for a long time and never knew this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/16/t…

My advice is: do your due diligence, folks. You can't judge a book by looking at the cover. They may be great people, but dig deep.

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Posted by ExPat2MEX on 08/24/2016 at 4:44 PM

Re: “Bad Cops

on 10/31/2010. I called 911.The dispatcher sent the ambulance to the wrong TOWN! The responding EMS was so late that by the time they arrived it was too late to save her life as she died two days ;later due to an asthma attack. I left out so much ugliness it really can't be believed without listening.to the actual radio transmissions that they tampered with. The story is simply too long to get into here but the lack of "good faith" preforming their duties by every government person involved is sickening and should've drawn the attention of every law enforcement agency in vermont. Anyone reading this I hope will visit the blog I made in anger when no media would publish my story. Scott Waterman of WCAX had a story idea ready that he "ran by his superiors" but the next thing I heard was Scott Waterman was saying good-bye in an E-mail to myself and the public after 20 years at WCAX. Was my story somehow involved in his getting done at WCAX? I do not know but it sure does seem to be coincidental timing > I will say litigation is on-going by myself Po Se because the only attorney that would take my case was as corrupt as everyone else involved Muy blog is not professional.. Please vist terencecampbell62@wordpress.com and comment and share..Let's all stand up for our rights and realize we are all on the same team and hold our public servants accountable when they forget just who it is they are working for. Thank you, Terence L. campbell

Posted by Terence Campbell on 08/12/2016 at 4:13 PM

Re: “7 Places to Swim That Are Not Lake Champlain

Where's the outrage toward the state's negligence regulating the agricultural runoff in VT?

Posted by jhilt123 on 08/12/2016 at 2:16 PM

Re: “A 'Motel' for the Homeless Fights to Stay in Shelburne

Homelessness can happen to anyone . Including "UglyTown". This Shelburne road is filled with car dealerships, restaurants, and all kinds of motels . Harbor Place is where many Vermonters are staying until they find their own place or their direction in life. I know who they are. Do you know who are the ones staying at other motels around? "Know Thy Enemies".
Harbor Place , thanks to CHT, knows the community, the police officers, the social workers, the medical providers and the resources available in the community. Harbor Place is not a problem. It is a gift. Wake up!!!!!

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Posted by Rita Ann on 08/10/2016 at 7:30 PM

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