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I understand that this post was very very long ago. But I look back at it and I see some very disrespectful, unjustified comments by people who weren't even in my or my father's situation. I am now 16 years old and am living healthy and well. My father is doing well also. I look back at this and I do think that the outcome of the court was unjustified and I don't think that Malcovsky should have gotten away with the stability issues of our home at the time. I do however not want to argue or bring up any issues I just think that this world is funny. I also want to staite that my father and I have grown a lot from this and we learned a lot about horrible housing, and injustice of this world and fourtanitly been able to prevent certain people from renting from people like Malcovsky. I hope you are enjoying your life Cathy, and again I hope that me re-bringing this up doesn't hurt you today. Have a great life everybody and I look forward to helping others like me and my dad with not buying unstable living enviornments. Have a great one!
So we should select board members that are, for the most part, 100% against the activity that the board votes on? This doesn't make sense to me.
Wow ! Thanks for a thought provoking article .
I have few problems with hunting although a great deal more with trapping . I have enjoyed hunted meat (although I'll never touch bear again.) My biggest issue is the idea that only hunters should be on the F&W board . Should only developers be on land development boards ? Should only teachers be on education boards ? A great part of Vermont's appeal is based on its natural beauty of which its wildlife is an important element . Protection of this asset does not belong solely to those who have harvested this resource and by harvested I mean killed wildlife . It belongs to all Vermonters
I can't speak to the accuracy of (Hike Vt)'s comments or quote from "Bill, a former trapper" about incidental trapping of cats, but I do have a personal experience where a Maine Warden told me homeowners in Maine had the right to shoot a Bald Eagle if it was pecking at their roof shingles (the Warden was reprimanded for his incorrect statement by his supervisor(s)). Seems like the cat story is a little far fetched to be made up?
The reason none of Mike Covey's "management issues" were discussed above by those of us who oppose his expansion of trapping, is that his list of issues are not caused by wildlife but by human involvement in the landscape. There are numerous scientific studies that clearly demonstrate the ineffective and ecologically destructive nature of trapping. This is particularly true with regard to coyotes and beaver. It is sheer ignorance to say that trapping is a valid means to control populations, health, or habitat degradation. This is a smoke screen for a sadistic sport that supports an obsolete industry. There is not room here to go into all the arguments against the efficacy of trapping (some of which were mentioned in above statements---I guess Mr. Covey overlooked those). The information is easily available to anyone who can read and think critically. Mr. Covey's arrogance is unveiled when his identity is revealed. He is the very trapper who proposed the contentious petition that was the subject of debate at the September 21 Fish and Wildlife Board meeting. The Department's own biologist recommended against the extension of a bobcat trapping season for several reasons, the most important being that there is no accurate assessment of the bobcat population in VT. Mr. Covey is an active trapper who routinely denies and denigrates both the science that dispels the many myths supporting trapping as a valid means to manage wildlife, and those informed and professional members of the non-trapping community who would like to see this archaic, ineffective, and sadistic tradition end.
I would like to thank all of the trapping opponents here for clarifying one point, the reason that we need outdoor folk on the board is that they understand the issues. If you read the above comments which are opposed to the make up of the board, you will note that nowhere in any of them did they discuss actual wildlife management issues. They engage in a great deal of hyperbole and conjecture, but never do they mention the issues generated by excessive populations of any animal. Habitat degradation, increased disease transmission, negative population impacts on other species (including endangered species), and starvation due to excessive competition are all real issues which have been observed by scientists to occur in the absence of active management such as hunting and trapping. One opponent states that they will no longer support the non-game wildlife fund. So you will penalize non-game species because you are mad that their predators are managed? Statements like those clarify that these folks care more about their agenda than they do about the welfare and health of our wild populations.
Evan W., labeling wildlife activists "older woman" as a means to denigrate their relevance and demean their contributions to the discussion is offensive and sexist. Jane Goodall is an older woman. She is perhaps the most respected wildlife advocate and environmentalist on the planet. Since when does age and gender define someone's right to fair representation by a State organization? I would much prefer the F&W board be composed of informed, professionally relevant, intelligent, and compassionate older women than macho, ignorant, and uninformed men mired in the sadistic traditions of trapping that are no longer relevant and are destroying biodiversity and hindering the balance and function of our ecosystems.
Evan W, I heard the lies about POW before I even knew what the organization was. Then I met some of the board members and people associated with that organization and immediately understood that the trappers are engaged in a disinformation campaign. These are Vermonters who disagree with you, plain and simple. I was at the meeting to observe for myself. What is clear to me is that the trappers feel an extreme sense of entitlement and have a "good ole boy" relationship with F&W. A whole lot of Vermonters who are not trappers want some accountability. Hikers, backcountry skiers, people walking their dogs, landowners, birdwatchers, wildlife photographers, veterinarians, and others are told they have no place at the table, which is not fair. The trappers were quite outnumbered by us so-called "non-consumptives" at the meeting. There is no question that the board would have voted against their biologist's recommendations had so many members of the non-consumptive public not been there watching and videotaping. Even with that being the case, almost half the board members completely disregarded the biologist's recommendation, as well as the public comments. There were many landowners and professionals present. You trying to paint them as "older women" or anything else just shows your true colors. This is nothing more than an attempt to slander fellow Vermonters who want accountability. Sad.
Evan W, I don't trap anything. When something is in quotes, do you understand what that means? I was quoting a trapper who admitted to doing this. He wrote about it, and I quoted what he said. I have also been present when trappers in VT talked about killing house cats. It did not bother them in the slightest. It is part of the culture.
Anthropomorphizing wildlife does a disservice to the biology of these animals and clouds the real issue of population management. In addition, it insults and belittles the inherent struggles these animals go through to survive in the wild. Nature is a savage place and wildlife does not view their existence from a warm kitchen full of food, as we do. No, its a brutal place were life is always in the balance. Human hunting, fishing and trapping and vehicles, for that matter, is but a fraction of this struggle and in many ways quicker and more humane.
Evan W- YOU CLEARLY CONFIRMED THE POINT -THANK YOU! Your comment above states you are shocked that anyone would admit that he had trapped 28 cats. Had you read the comment properly you would have recognized the quotation marks indicating that the comment is a record of a statement made by someone other than HIKEVT. HikeVT was merely providing the words and statement that a trapper made in reflection of his negligent and heinous actions at one time. That comment comes from none other than: - --Bill, a former trapper !!! So, we agree, with you; "You were never a sportsman, a conservationist and obviously have no ethics." That comment is a reflection of Bill the former trapper who in his good conscience has now left the ugly, "tradition" behind.http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/hunting…
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I am shocked to see anyone admit (Hike VT) that he trapped 28 cats and was told to kill them by a Maine Game Warden. Besides being an insult to law enforcement officers throughout the country, you should not have the right to make any comments. You were never a sportsman, a conservationist and obviously have no ethics. If you are the type of people who make up POW, then it explains all the misleading information that has been published recently. My guess is that you are just a big fat liar!
All of you who are making these anti-F&W board posts are morons. I went to the last F&W board meeting to hear about the work being done regarding black bear habitat as a pre-study for the effect of wind turbines. What I saw was a bunch of older women with too much time and too much money on their hand and a bunch of hen pecked men. People pretended to be re-borne trappers, lawyers and veterinarians. Yet no one actually submitted one supportive fact or scientific piece of data. The whole group was lead by a women who isn't even from Vermont that came here specifically to disrupt the traditions of this great state.
The Vermont AG's office should investigate POW. Truth be told, it is just an extension of HSUS, which has no connection to the beneficial local human society. Yet, through it facade raises millions of dollars by misleading donors and uses those funds to pay highly compensated executives and associated legal firms to wage legal battles against the various state and federal agencies costing tax payers millions of dollars. Trappers are just canaries in the coal mine. POW/HSUS are going at the preverbal throat of all sportsmen and sportswomen attacking the F&W agency who has re-established bears, deer, turkey, beaver, otter, fisher and martin in a state that was devoid of these mammals. The population of all these mammals has expanded and harvests have had no impact on their growth, including bobcats which have had significant documented population growth since 2008. Those are facts people. POW and other groups share members to portray a larger membership base and recruit people who know little about the science or biology around wildlife management. They prey upon the emotions of others. Ceding the management of our wildlife resources to persons without any knowledge of both wildlife sciences and sportman practices is both dangerous and a path to disaster for wildlife. Massachusetts, after another arm was able to severally restrict trapping, now cost tax payers over $100 million annually to control beaver damage. The role of government is to protect people rights and is not a vehicle for a small group to dictate their values on to others. Hunting, fishing and trapping have been traditions in Vermont since the inception of the state and wildlife have flourished under the F&W's management.
GOOD!!! "It was not quite dead. Berry took the needle-billed bird and quickly twisted its neck." What kind of person does this? One who is sub-human, that's who. Don't give me the crap About how "hunting helps animals", that's the biggest load of crap ever. Do the research. Hunting injures most animals and makes them suffer. Many animals are wounded and left to die slow painful deaths. These animals have feelings and families. Would you hunt your pet dog or cat? No? Then why murder other animals?
To Mr. J. Jerome; You Sir are an outstanding and exemplary example of an ethical hunter! THANK YOU! Your ethic, compassion, respect and reverence is to be commended and admired. Your understanding and ability to reason and appreciate the value of equity and diversity and the value of wildlife biologists ( notably, the VT FWD board recently voted against recommendations of the wildlife biologists in relationship to the bobcat and otter trapping petition) transcends the fraternal turning-of-a-blind-eye to some of the unethical killing and barbaric cruelty of trapping that is legal in Vermont and supported by the in-bred make up of the FWD board.
All I can say is everything that I want to say has actually already been said for the most part. It is just amazing to me that people in the year 2016 can't understand that these animals are sentient creatures. It is understandable if people hunt because they really need the meat for food, but there is no
reason to trap anymore.Trappers would be very upset if someone trapped their hunting dogs, but somehow they discount the feelings of wildlife. Fur is no longer a money making industry and the trappers that seem to enjoy the pain they inflict on these animals are truly sadistic. This issue needs to be addressed on a much broader scale in this country. People don't eat trapped animals and if they trap for pleasure they need professional help. Jeffrey Daumer abused animals as a child and even he admitted later on death row he knew there was something wrong for having the need to do this. Some trappers do it because it is a tradition in their family, but there is no need to trap anymore. How about starting a tradition of showing your kids and grandkids how these animals live in their natural environment through hiking or photographing? This would nurture the kind of character we would want them to show as adults. Some nuisance trap but it has been proven there are more successful and humane ways to solve their problems. Trapping is outdated and needs to stop.
I'm a lifelong hunter and outdoor enthusiast. I don't need to hunt to survive, but it certainly helps in providing protein for my family and I. I also utilize hunting as a way to get out and explore this great state. Often, I will walk 7-10 miles on any given day during the November deer season. It provides me the opportunity to think and get away from all of the craziness in everyday life. It helps to keep my mind focused and sharp and I can't imagine not being able to get out there and do that.
However, when I was very young (middle school) I shot at a bird in tree with my bb gun. The gun had no sites on it and it was a hail mary shot, but I hit it right in the eye and it dropped to the ground. I had to smash it with a rock to put it out of its misery. From that moment on I told myself that I would never shoot anything again unless I was going to eat it and that has helped me enjoy my time in nature hunting and enjoying wildlife. I do not believe in trapping and I understand that there may be a handful of individuals who use it to supplement their income, but for christ sake, it's 2016 people...we are making clothing out of recycled textiles.
I have no problem letting "non-consumptives" on the F&W board because I feel that it would only make the board stronger and add diversity. I don't believe adding 6 is prudent, but 2-3 seems reasonable. In the end, this board should be taking advice from the state wildlife biologists anyway. If there is a blatant disregard to what they say is appropriate, there should be consequences.
I too resent being labelled by trappers/hunters as a flatlander, outsider, bum, freeloader, etc. simply because I disagree with their sadistic exploitation of public resources. The State's wildlife does not belong to consumptive users and many of us who want to protect wildlife from the horrors of trapping pay plenty of money toward the state's conservation programs. Most of us would likely pay more to offset the meager $23 license fee for trapping. In fact, I already pay $26 for conservation license plates on my car! That's $3 more than a trapping license! In addition, I post two parcels of land, that's another chunk of change the F&W Dept get from me. Those of us who boat or hike or use State parks pay fees throughout the year. In addition, my family has lived in Vermont since 1806, probably longer than many of the trapper's families have. I own land here, pay taxes, and have as much right to use public lands as anyone else in Vermont. But, ultimately, this issue is not about money or heritage, it is about ethics and responsible conservation of public resources. Trappers typically resort to insulting those of us who they disagree with because the facts do not support trapping. It is simply wrong on many levels, from morally to scientifically and ecologically. Trapping needs to be relegated to the trash heap of similar obsolete and irrelevant historical past-times.
I understand that this post was very very long ago. But I look back at it and I…