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Re: “Walters: Slouching Toward Transparency

To second Doug Hoffer's comment, Jeff Bezos owns 17.6% of Amazon. Who do you think "controls" the company?

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Posted by JohnGreenberg on 01/20/2017 at 12:16 PM

Re: “Montpeculiar: 'Economic Opportunity' Knocks — Twice

Perhaps its the first step in making people understand that economic vibrancy and poverty reduction are connected. Bravo, Phil!!!

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Posted by pcowanvt on 01/20/2017 at 11:16 AM

Re: “Family of Syrian Refugees Arrive in Rutland as Resettlement Begins

And Rutland instantly erupts into chaos... oh, wait. That didn't happen. Oh.

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Posted by The Oracle on 01/20/2017 at 10:10 AM

Re: “Vermont Congressional Delegation to Attend Trump Inauguration

The real party tonight will be at the U.S. FBI office in Moscow!

Posted by Roger Hill on 01/20/2017 at 10:04 AM

Re: “Walters: Slouching Toward Transparency

As I pointed out during testimony in Senate Government Operations this week, the requirement that members report on corporate involvement only when they have a "controlling" interest is not optimal. A person could own 45% of a small firm or 15% of a large firm. In both cases, the ownership stake is noteworthy, but neither person would have to report. I hope they reconsider this.

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 01/20/2017 at 5:55 AM

Re: “Jericho Voters Nix Zoning Changes That Targeted Sprawl

When our politicians have proven to be such sell-outs and put whatever they define as economic progress above all else (no matter how much it comes at the expense of existing residents and constituents), you cannot expect the people of Jericho or anywhere else to do anything but also maximize their own economic progress (including zoning that maximizes land values). These are principles that the entire Democratic establishment in Vermont has shown over and over again, such as their total embrace of basing the budget-busting F-35 fighter jet here with its expanded noise zone & continuing demolition of existing neighborhoods. This is the lesson of Leahy, Sanders, Shumlin and Welch.

Bruce Post's quote from Charlie Morrissey is apt (in below comment). From the mayor of Burlington to even the state representatives in South Burlington like Ann Pugh, the Democrats F-35 worship has shown again and again there is nothing special or different about Vermont. I hate to be cynical because there are always exceptions and still good people out there. But for too many of our politicians, the old values of caring for your neighbor and preserving what is there are long gone. So in light of this, Jericho resident Patrick McCarthy is absolutely right to have voted no. And, BTW, there's nothing wrong with Dollar General. Let more Dollar Generals sprout, be they next to Sanders new home on the lake or Leahy's 300 acres in Middlesex and let them be the economic progress memorials to these politicians.

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Posted by Chris in S. Burlington on 01/20/2017 at 2:31 AM

Re: “Vermont Congressional Delegation to Attend Trump Inauguration

By going to the swearing in of the new Pres Trump shows respect for the office and most importantly show respect to the American citizens choice for Pres..These democrats Congressmen/Senators are forgetting who their bosses are..the American TAXPAYERS!!!
Next election may be a wake up call to them..We did not vote in these fools to tell us how to vote, live or do..they need to realize we are the employers they are the employees..

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Posted by Donna Boutin on 01/19/2017 at 11:54 PM

Re: “Montpeculiar: 'Economic Opportunity' Knocks — Twice

Is naming two separate departments with completely different functions in entirely separate agencies Scott's way of making state government less confusing or beaurocratic for the "everyman"?

This is going to be an interesting two years.

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Posted by JoRoVT on 01/19/2017 at 10:23 PM

Re: “Document Details BHA Director’s Departure Agreement

BHA still needs to have more changes, they lean more to renting to the refugees and less to the real Burlington residents

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Posted by Ken Atwood on 01/19/2017 at 8:57 PM

Re: “Jericho Voters Nix Zoning Changes That Targeted Sprawl

The small towns and some of the land owners who border the main roads, who may have in the past protected the sanctity of their towns enclosed nature are starting to get wide eyes about the coins that can be collected in the one time exchange for small town integrity. If our small towns give up their local - Vermont Makes it Special sweet down home, maple flavor that is directly connected to an unspoiled aesthetic beauty of a working landscape - they will soon be passed by as a destination for the recurring tourist dollar for the next small town who has recognized the increasing value to all the town residents. One chain store in the middle of a corn field is all it takes to loose what our parents and grandparents worked to preserve. We can still grow but with an open eye to the increasing value of aesthetics and respect for Vermont's Wild Beauty that attracts our many seasonal visitors as well as the weekend visits from Vermonters living inside the beltline.

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Posted by kerryk on 01/19/2017 at 8:56 PM

Re: “Shumlin to Head to Harvard as Visiting Fellow

Wasn't Pete going home to help with the family business? Why does a failed politician go to entice Harvard students to go into politics? I fail to believe.

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Posted by Walter Moses on 01/19/2017 at 3:52 PM

Re: “‘Reactionary Fringe’ Pushes Back Against Mayor’s ‘Trash Talk’

Are 40% of Burlington voters "reactionary fringe?" No more than are the people who support the Mayor's development plans "facist lackeys of corporate greed". It's fun to call names but really what good does it do? We, who opposed the Sinex Mall are a sizable minority who have a different philosophy of development and transparency than the Mayor and many members of City Council, , and unfortunately, a growing (and classic) distrust of the relationship between consultants, city government, the established non-profit sector and developers. That's why we are bringing the lawsuit and continuing the fight. While we do this we invite everyone to engage in civil dialogue about the future of our city and lets please TALK ISSUES, not take offense at questions, and try to be transparent and avoid labels and personal attacks. Myself I fully support some of the mayor's initiatives, and strongly oppose others. If the lawsuit stops the Sinex development we welcome the chance to work with the City on a new plan. We will fight for the same input and co-development on the Southern Connector, City Hall Park, Mem Auditorium and the Moran Plant and we will continue the important conversation about how we can avoid gentrification and provide affordable housing in Burlington - which many of us believe is linked to increasing the minimum wage and taking a long hard look at current definitions of "low income" and "affordable." Let us accept that there are different philosophies at play here, Democrat, Republican Old Progressive, New Progressive Socialist, Independent, Green and different opinions within each sector. And lets talk issues and what we believe are factsnot adopt the style and lack of substance of the current national dialogue. D. Schein

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Posted by David Schein on 01/19/2017 at 2:59 PM

Re: “‘Reactionary Fringe’ Pushes Back Against Mayor’s ‘Trash Talk’

I would prefer to support a candidate who doesn't engage in the type of campaigning and actions that we've seen thus far. I was especially disheartened to read that Ms. Grill attempted to spread information that hurt Bernie's campaign last year, because his wife dismissed her from a teaching post, or some such thing. Not to mention this aggressive commenting business. We've had enough of this type of behavior on the national stage. I hope Burlington sticks with Jane Knodell on City Council, who has a proven track record of years of service to her community with integrity and fairness. I don't see her, or the other more dignified candidates, stooping to the level of lashing out at her opponents in the comments section of the newspaper!

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Posted by LWilliams on 01/19/2017 at 2:57 PM

Re: “‘Reactionary Fringe’ Pushes Back Against Mayor’s ‘Trash Talk’

[This is a response to the knowyourassumptions comment last evening.] Mr. KYA says that the CLC being less rude is an objectively false statement. He says weve been trying to carpetbomb the online debate, call names (etc.). He goes on to call the CLC inflammatory, shrill, and accusatory. His defensiveness is an attack. Why would civil debate appear to be positional blindness? Must we see things one way? Lets debate the logic, and not the tone. If I find his calling CLC shrill and accusatory to be sort of shrill and accusatory, does it matter? Should the City expect no discussion, or difference of opinion? After all, the City and the CLC apparently have different sensibilities. The CLC is not anti it proposes that progress is often better served with more public input, and with less emphasis on growing the city beyond its character and charm. Progress does not always mean building something especially if it is unclear what the result will be. I hope we can have a civil discussion about this.

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Posted by stickinthemud on 01/19/2017 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Jericho Voters Nix Zoning Changes That Targeted Sprawl

Vermont historian Charlie Morrissey made a sage observation about our pretensions to being different in his book "Vermont: A History", written in 1984:

"This is modern Vermont, just as it is modern America. It is the Vermont spewing out the Shelburne Road and the Williston Road from Burlington, and extending along Route 7 approaching Rutland and Bennington, and captivating even tiny Morrisville, where a shopping center on the outskirts of town makes the village center look forlorn. Surely this heart of darkness deserves a destiny different from neon-lighted drive-ins along slurpy strips of highways which lead to huge shopping centers and acres of asphalt for parking lots. Vermont is different? The question is asked sardonically. The trouble with Vermont is that Vermont is not different enough."

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Posted by Bruce Post on 01/19/2017 at 8:52 AM

Re: “Jericho Voters Nix Zoning Changes That Targeted Sprawl

"Rollin', rollin', rollin',... keep them strip malls rollin'..."

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Posted by Christopher Hill on 01/19/2017 at 7:44 AM

Re: “The Numbers: Scott Nabs Decisive Win, But Voters' Message Mixed

Donna the dog (your profile picture), I want to tell you some things. I don't care or mind that you're republican and that you support Trump. This is a free country. Now first of all, liberals are not rioting because they don't like Trump's policies. Although they are repulsive to us, he hasn't enacted them yet. No, we're rioting because the man is a sick f*** in our eyes and we can't stand the thought of him representing us in any way: the meaning of "not my president". We're rioting because people who we love are being gleefully disregarded, disrespected, or shunned and we refuse to accept that, not that we refuse to accept the outcome of democracy. We're rioting because he's more unpredictable than any present before him in history, his rhetoric is filled with stupid hate, and because of that we are very scared. I'm surprised you're not, actually. It's a dangerous time in the world, he is hated by most world leaders, and he is not a very bright diplomat. But of course, that's just my opinion.

By the way, forget the Clintons, if you think Donald Trump wasn't "bought off" then you need to look at his cabinet appointments and pour ice water over your head.

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Posted by William Kyle on 01/19/2017 at 3:49 AM

Re: “Vermont Congressional Delegation to Attend Trump Inauguration

Mr.Bast the important part of the story you left out of the Coolidge swearing in is that Coolidge became president only after the sudden death of President Harding. When Coolidge won his second term he was sworn in Washington. Also it might not be a constitutional requirement for congressmen and senators to attend, but it is important for them to support the American process. Even Hillary and Bill will be there and she lost. So if she can get over it and support America and our new president, these cry baby Democrats should get over themselves and get to the inauguration. P.S. Coolidge was a real Vermonter and a Republican. VT needs to return to its GOP roots.

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Posted by citizen on 01/18/2017 at 8:41 PM

Re: “‘Reactionary Fringe’ Pushes Back Against Mayor’s ‘Trash Talk’

"The CLC has not been a tenth as rude as its opponents."

This is simply an objectively false statement. Having closely observed the public and online debate from the beginning, the "anti" side's strategy has been to try to carpetbomb the online debate, call names, and make all kinds of wild and unsubstantiated -- and, frankly, absurd -- accusations of public corruption against those who think the project is a good idea. See the repeated inflammatory, shrill, and accusatory posts by Petrarca, Philo, VTPolicyAnalyst, Grill, etc. Mostly, the project supporters have sat back and not reacted in kind. A simple count of the negative and accusatory adjectives used by the anti's vs. the pro's in the online postings will negate your claims as to who's more "rude."

Your call for "civil debate" is one-sided. It is positional blindness. You see "us" as rude but apparently you can't even see your side's incredible rudeness because your side is morally "right." Well, guess what? We who support this project do so because we genuinely believe it is in the best interest of the city. Stop demonizing us and then accusing us of being rude merely because we don't like your personal attacks!

Have a nice day.

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Posted by knowyourassumptions on 01/18/2017 at 7:56 PM

Re: “‘Reactionary Fringe’ Pushes Back Against Mayor’s ‘Trash Talk’

I just wanted to share my full comment, which can be found below. Thank you.

https://www.facebook.com/WinklemanforBTV/p…

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Posted by Charles Winkleman on 01/18/2017 at 7:39 PM

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