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Re: “Protests at Philly Convention Stir Memories of 1968 Chicago

Thanks, Kevin, for the comparison, reminding us that we face many of the same issues now, even though the long arc of history has bent in a slightly positive direction. The horrible policies of the 1968 Democratic establishment, with a candidate complicit in a war based on lies that would ultimately kill over 3 million people, shut progressives out and almost wrecked the party. (FWIW, I voted for Dick Gregory.) Establishment Democrats screamed at us because the alternative would be Nixon. They were right about how terrible Nixon would be, but at some point one can't vote for evil even if it is the lesser of evils. I don't think it's nearly as bad this year. If Bernie and others can keep up the constant pressure, Hillary may even keep a few progressive promises. But I absolutely understand the anger of many of Bernie's supporters, and believe their reluctance to support Hillary will help to keep up the needed pressure on her and the party.

Posted by Steve Carlson on 07/28/2016 at 4:10 PM

Re: “After Convention Star Turn, Vermont Delegate Leaves Philly in Protest

Shyla loves the spotlight!

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Posted by Brian Harwood on 07/28/2016 at 3:35 PM

Re: “Protests at Philly Convention Stir Memories of 1968 Chicago

Article in the Nation July 21 by John Nichols

https://www.thenation.com/article/if-trumps-speech-sounded-familiar-thats-because-nixon-gave-it-first/

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Posted by Lucille on 07/28/2016 at 2:33 PM

Re: “Protests at Philly Convention Stir Memories of 1968 Chicago

I wasn't as fortunate as you, Kevin. My skull did not escape the wrath of Mayor Daley's police officers.

While I agree there are many similarities between the Chicago and Philadelphia timeline, I must take exception to your statement ("reforms that have given voters more power in picking a presidential nominee"). It appears there is very little difference between rigged caucuses in '68 and rigged primaries in '16. The party bosses STILL decide who the nominee will be, and they do it while "the whole world is (still) watching."

Because some things never, ever change.

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Posted by hofsterini on 07/28/2016 at 2:31 PM

Re: “After Convention Star Turn, Vermont Delegate Leaves Philly in Protest

some of these delegates need to be careful not to break their arm patting their backs,

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Posted by Pixelvt on 07/28/2016 at 2:22 PM

Re: “With Assist From Sanders, Clinton Claims Democratic Nomination

To bad he didn't have the Spine to fight the injustice.

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Posted by ezduzit on 07/28/2016 at 1:14 PM

Re: “VPR/Castleton Poll Suggests Tight Democratic Race for Governor

If Vermont is so great (which it is) Why is so many in MontP taking a ton of money from outside the state to control the lives of the people of Vermont.
It's pretty easy to look up their campaign contributions and where they came from. Do it for your self and it will blow your mind. Want something hard to look up, try where Sue minter is from and her history. It could be Mass, add that to the MASSive amount of out of state money she takes and then ask why she is making such a MASSive issue about taking hard working Vermont folks ability to protect their families with her #1 issue being Gun Control. Look at Germany and France the last several weeks. Look at the number of Syrian Refugees doing the killing. Look at how many of the recent killings are by knife. These folks want to bring them (refugees) to Vermont, use out of state money to turn Vermont into higher risk and less safe state. No viable knowledge of the words "unintended consequences".

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Posted by ezduzit on 07/28/2016 at 1:11 PM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

First of all, your scenario is made up. Secondly, if 70% of people feel Hillary is dishonest then it is true that 70% of people feel Hillary is dishonest. Your attempt at reductio ad absurdum falls flat as does your attempt to draw a conclusion about anything presented in that poll other than a large majority of people polled feel Hillary Clinton is dishonest.

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Posted by Mark Lade on 07/28/2016 at 12:11 PM

Re: “Sanders Tells Vermont Delegates Trump Is 'Disgusting'

Trump's disgusting but the Corruption of Debbie W, (now working for Hillary) the DNC and Hillary's 30 years of total corruption is perfectly ok by Bernie. Bernie's wife taking the $ 200,000 off of the college she killed and harmed numerous students lives is not disgusting ? That 200k being in the Sanders bank account is not disgusting ? The fact that Bernie didn't have the spine to fight the wrong injustices done to him by Hillary and her minions isn't disgusting when so many supporters gave him their all? The fact that 4 years ago Bernie put his signature on the "Monsanto Protection Act" and to this day keeps it quiet isn't disgusting ?
All of it is disgusting. Both Party's. It's Elephants and Asses,,, Screwing the masses. Wake up instead of eating everything they feed you !

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Posted by ezduzit on 07/28/2016 at 12:11 PM

Re: “Out of the Norm: Franklin County Senate Race Is Far From Typical

Gee -- if this McAllister fellow were a Democrat, the sexual assault charge would have the press chuckling about how what a clever rogue he was -- sort of like Bill Clinton --

Posted by William James on 07/28/2016 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

"As Philo points out, 70% of people polled find her untrustworthy."

70% of the American people also believe that space aliens walk among us. Does that make it true? No rational person would ever make any decisions about what is true and what is not true based on what other people believe.

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Posted by knowyourassumptions on 07/28/2016 at 10:59 AM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

Veggiguy: Bernie lost the race but it looked like he was gaining some momentum on the convention floor. I can buy into Bernie thinks Hillary is better than Trump but I'm not so sure he believes Hillary is right for America I wonder why he pressed his delegates to vote Hillary instead of simply conceding.

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Posted by Mark Lade on 07/28/2016 at 8:59 AM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

@Mark Lade: Bernie lost the race and he knows that Hillary's the right choice for this country. You mean because she helped destabilize the middle east, because she sent an ambassador into an unstable situation without enough security, because she lied to cover up the truth about Behghazi, because she irresponsibly made classified emails available to everyone and then illegally tried to destroy them all to cover up her actions, because she perjured herself to congress, or because when every informed person knows what she did she is still denying it?

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Posted by Veggiguy on 07/28/2016 at 8:17 AM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

You are being ridiculous, assumptions. People are tired of politicians like Hillary Clinton. As Philo points out, 70% of people polled find her untrustworthy. Bernie's message resonated with this faction of voters. He does not control his supporters nor did they swear allegiance to him. I see nothing paranoid about Philo's post. The DNC did manipulate the primary process and people are angered by this. This dishonesty, along with Hillary's overall dishonesty, leads to the expression of this anger, not Bernie's campaign message or lack of control over his delegates.

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Posted by Mark Lade on 07/28/2016 at 7:21 AM

Re: “Sanders Tells Vermont Delegates Trump Is 'Disgusting'

Of course Trump is disgusting. They had to scrape the absolute bottom of the barrel on the republican side, and then tell him to spew the nastiest, stupidest stuff he could come up with, to make someone as heinously despicable as Clinton into the "lesser of two evils". Same shell game the RNC/DNC consortium has been playing against us for decades. That is why the Libertarian Party candidate, Gary Johnson is gaining in the polls more and more and about to be the first third party included in the debates in decades. Despite what the media wants to feed us, there are more than two choices.
But I love how Bernie, the guy that wasn't really a democrat, just running to take over their platform, is now stumping for the likes of Clinton. If he was a true independent, in it for the people, he would have thrown his support to Gary Johnson. Funny thing is, that's where all his supporters are heading anyway, along with a lot of former republicans.

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Posted by FreedomToThink on 07/27/2016 at 8:07 PM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

"Let's just ignore the incestuous corruption of the DNC as revealed by the released emails. If Hillary were even somewhat of a tolerable candidate, the amount of anger you suggest Bernie created wouldn't be a talking point at all. There would be disappointed Bernie supporters ready to get behind an honorable democratic candidate. Instead, they have Hillary.."

And, yet, for some reason your twisted, paranoid, erroneous opinion of Hillary and her Party is not consistent with that of the guy you swore your loyalty to -- Bernie. Hmm. Wonder why that is? It's because you're wrong and Bernie's right. For all his manipulative, demagogic fervor during the campaign, Bernie lost the race and he knows that Hillary's the right choice for this country. You don't, because you just don't get it. You're living in a paranoid fantasy world that Bernie never actually lived in.

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Posted by knowyourassumptions on 07/27/2016 at 6:42 PM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

Let's just ignore the incestuous corruption of the DNC as revealed by the released emails. If Hillary were even somewhat of a tolerable candidate, the amount of anger you suggest Bernie created wouldn't be a talking point at all. There would be disappointed Bernie supporters ready to get behind an honorable democratic candidate. Instead, they have Hillary.

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Posted by Mt.Philo on 07/27/2016 at 3:33 PM

Re: “Sanders Tells Vermont Delegates Trump Is 'Disgusting'

"The fact that we won 86 percent of the vote in our own state is something I will never, ever forget.."

And I will never forget that Patrick Leahy NEVER once thought about changing his superdelegate vote from Clinton to Bernie. Other Bernie supporters should keep that in mind in November. The fact that he's been in the Senate since 1975 is bad enough, but when he blatantly refused to honor his constituent's preference by sticking with Clinton, that was the final straw.

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Posted by hofsterini on 07/27/2016 at 3:17 PM

Re: “Sanders Tells Vermont Delegates Trump Is 'Disgusting'

"The reason Trump is disgusting if he wins that will put your socialist program back quite a few years sure do hope he wins goTrump" (Paul Gorton)

Paul, is the period key on your keyboard broken?

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Posted by hofsterini on 07/27/2016 at 3:08 PM

Re: “Bernie Sanders Appeals for Unity in Democratic Convention Address

Stacy's right. Bernie brought this on himself. He ran a dark, angry, bitter campaign and he attracted a dark, angry, bitter following. And he stoked their anger even further. Now he's got an angry mob on his hands and they're angry at him, too. That's what happens when you play with fire. Even though I agree with some of his message, I don't like the person who carried it or the way he did it. He acted the demagogue.

As for Bernie's former followers, now that they hate Bernie, too, there's no one left not to hate. They hate absolutely everyone. Nice outcome all around.

It didn't have to be this way. Bernie didn't have to campaign in such an angry, incendiary, self-righteous, intolerant way.

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Posted by knowyourassumptions on 07/27/2016 at 2:07 PM

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