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Re: “New Owners at Ripton Store Find Their Rural Groove

I've always liked this little store. Did they get rid of the porn?

1 like, 0 dislikes
Posted by Mt.Philo on 04/11/2019 at 11:48 AM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

The Vorsteveld farm is a colossal ghetto, period. It is a nauseating disgrace to the State of Vermont.

7 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by WilliamHoward on 03/25/2019 at 7:46 AM

Re: “Two Men's Trash: How Casella Waste Systems Converted Garbage Into a Sprawling Empire

Wondering if this knowyourassumptions guy has ever been to the Vt State House.

1 like, 8 dislikes
Posted by bobstannard on 03/23/2019 at 8:08 AM

Re: “Two Men's Trash: How Casella Waste Systems Converted Garbage Into a Sprawling Empire

"I would say they are, for Vermont, a very big and pretty powerful corporate entity, and they wield significant influence in the Statehouse."

That's a good one!

You must be mistaking Casella for the organizations that actually own and operate the Legislature: VPIRG and the state employees and teachers unions.

16 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by knowyourassumptions on 03/23/2019 at 7:39 AM

Re: “Two Men's Trash: How Casella Waste Systems Converted Garbage Into a Sprawling Empire

Two points
-NIMBY's and professional environmentalists have resulted in dumps , oops, landfills being worth their weight in gold . Good job guys .
-"The business is one of only two publicly traded companies headquartered in the state," One of 2 . That has to be the least in the nation. And people wonder why VT's population continues to decline . Hostility to any business (except microbrewery's) is only speeding up this trend .

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Posted by Rich ard on 03/22/2019 at 10:19 PM

Re: “Two Men's Trash: How Casella Waste Systems Converted Garbage Into a Sprawling Empire

I would add that hes one of the few people who threatened my life. I had just successfully won a legitimate bid to take the waste from the Town of Fair Haven. After the meeting John and I met in the parking lot where he aggressively threatened me if I didnt stay out of his way.

I never liked bullies. We kept competing against him until the time came where we, too, were bought out by him. It was rather fun selling him back the business I was able to competitively take away from him. I would disagree with my old friend, Rep.. Tony Klein; John Casella is not a nice man at all. Oh ,he can be charming when need be, but nice? I would never use that word to describe him.

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Posted by bobstannard on 03/22/2019 at 8:13 AM

Re: “Two Men's Trash: How Casella Waste Systems Converted Garbage Into a Sprawling Empire

From 1990-95 I worked for a company that competed against Casella. It was quite an education. The short story of the rise of Casella in the world of garbage was that he cheated. His contracts were not the results of a typographical error that took 9 years to fix. His disposal practices were as shady. Do a little research into the Whitehall landfill if you want to see how this company and this man operate. A local guy had called me to say that they were illegally accepting hazardous waste. I took a ride over and met the guy. We went to the landfill and sure enough when we arrived there were about a dozen, 5-gallon pails with bright red skull & cross bones emblazoned on the buckets. I pulled out my camera and started taking pictures. Two thugs immediately came racing across the yard demanding that I give them my car and leave. I left with my camera.

Someone might also be interested in his disposal of countless loads of demolision debris that he dumped behind the Catholic Church in Rutland. It was illegal to dump there and it went there, because it was cheaper than legally disposing of the waste. Thats how he put others out of business. Its pretty simple really.

I used to say that there would be bigger margins in the grocery business if one could steal the food..

8 likes, 15 dislikes
Posted by bobstannard on 03/22/2019 at 8:07 AM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

For what it's worth, the Vermont Dairy Producer's Conference is not a place for policy discussion - there are plenty of other outlets for that. It is more about education, learning about new and better ways for taking care of our cows and businesses, so that they can hopefully take care of us.

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Posted by Joanna Lidback on 03/19/2019 at 9:38 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

It's time to stop romanticizing the Vermont dairy industry and start calling it out for what it now is at many of these "farms". Animal exploitation, human exploitation, environmental degradation and corporate welfare all in the name of "a shit-ton of cheap milk".

Confining cows indoors to "live in their own excrement" is not farming, it's animal abuse and it's inhumane. Large mammals with emotions and feelings reduced to milk production machines is Orwellian and insanely cruel.

Why won't Americans work in a cowshit-filled building doing difficult, often dangerous labor for 12+ hour shifts, starting for less than Vermont's minimum wage, without overtime pay, and with few benefits? Huh, good question... Oh, and no health insurance. Just send workers to a "free" clinic, funded by taxpayers and the charity of others. Anyone who supports stricter immigration laws please stop drinking and eating all dairy products immediately.

A google search reveals that Holstein cows produce 100+ pounds of excrement a day. 1300 cows produce a shocking 47.5 MILLION pounds of manure per year!?! It's telling that anyone who questions the Vorstevelds about runoff or other environmental degradation are to be dismissed, because "none of you guys know shit about dairy farming." You don't need to be a dairy farmer to know that environmental stewardship is not the strong suit of these operations.

This is not a quaint Vermont dairy farm. This is a factory, employing migrants, exempt from Vermont's minimum wage and overtime laws, receiving special tax treatment because it is a "farm", and exploiting the charity of their community by burdening the free clinic. And to what end? They make hundreds of thousands of dollars, as reported, and we subsidize the whole thing. The federal government has 1.4 BILLION, pounds of cheese in storage. Paid for by taxpayers.

18 likes, 14 dislikes
Posted by Jim6 on 03/19/2019 at 10:38 AM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

This is pretty disappointing. I had thought cows would have a slightly better life on a Vermont dairy farm. Guess not.

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Posted by Creepyoldman on 03/19/2019 at 5:08 AM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

This isn't dairy farming, it's factory farming. The stuff of Orwellian nightmares. Exactly the reason my family will never consume grocery store meats or dairy again. We buy directly from small, family owned/family run farms where the animals are out in fields all day every day, winter & summer, eating grass & natural feeds not soaked in Monsanto Roundup poison and the people that work the farm aren't treated more like animals than the cows, pigs & chickens. Really can't imagine how they see this as a better life than in Mexico, being worked like slaves.

But I'm glad to hear that yet another thing our government blatantly wastes the other half of our paychecks on is keeping operations like this in business, no matter how despicable they are, buying all the disgusting milk & cheese that nobody wants, no matter how much is over produced by these investor owned factory farms.

16 likes, 20 dislikes
Posted by FreedomToThink on 03/18/2019 at 7:59 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

For years the Departments of Agriculture both state and federal have preached that bigger is better and the only way to farm. I know, they pitched that to me. Now they have a tiger by the tail: filthy conditions, filthy streams and lakes, cheap illegal immigrant labor, and it seems from the comments, angry neighbors.
Treating animals and the environment like this is immoral.
The cleanest dairy I ever saw relied on a lot of hand labor and milked 88 cows with one full time employee. The farmer made money not payments.

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Posted by Walter Moses on 03/18/2019 at 2:48 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

Great article Chelsea Edgar. One has to wonder about this farms care of their animals and quality of their product though. I enjoyed your honest and unvarnished writing.

9 likes, 7 dislikes
Posted by Marcouxr on 03/18/2019 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

Great reporting. Reminds me of Estrellita, an animated film by a Middlebury College professor and students about the experience of migrant workers.

3 likes, 9 dislikes
Posted by Estrellita on 03/18/2019 at 7:03 AM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

The author via Gerald reported 8500 gallons of milk being shipped to Cabot daily, to be turned into 640 lb blocks of cheddar. More specifically 8500 gallons of milk weighs approximately 85,000 lbs. Approx. Ten pounds of milk is required for 1 lb of cheese. So on each daily shipment, 8500 lbs of cheese could be yielded. Recognizing milk quality varies and so does cheese demand, and knowing other products may be made, if 8500 lbs of cheese were to be made and sold at near retail bottom $6/ a lb for premium Vermont Cheddar that is $51,000 of cheese from a days milking. My guess is that the farmers are lucky if they are being paid $16 per hundred weight, or approx $13,600 minus fees for 8500 gallons shipped. Cabot/Agrimark whomever.... has $37,400 of room to make, market and retail their product from one days milking at the Vorstevelds farm.

I do not know how much it costs to make cheese on Cabot's scale, but it is easy to assume they have a solid net revenue, while the Vorstevelds do not, and meanwhile Cabot and Agrimarks employees work in pristine, sanitary conditions; production rooms, labs and boardrooms,benefits and retirement pay. The typical Vermont dairy farm is running itself into the ground, taking its workers, animals and the environment along with it. Hoping for some form of public compensation, and exceptions to labor, animal welfare and environmental regulations.

I very much honor the dairy farming tradition, and know that farmers can be highly principled "conservationists", and preservationists, especially when generously profitable. A company nationally recognized with award winning products should be able to offer and demand parity throughout its supply and production chain, regardless of the "independent nature" of Vermont dairy farmers.

23 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by Freedumb Also on 03/17/2019 at 1:26 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

the comment about pollinators is right- they are in perile. however, he or she who posted this has mixed up chemicals. round up is an herbicide, not a pesticide, and while just as scary, shouldn't be used to thrash dairy farmers about pollinators.

15 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by fat rooster farm on 03/15/2019 at 5:22 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

Deer, buffalo, penguins and a whole host of other wild animals have a baby every 12 months and we make kids movies about it. Dairy cows have a calf every 12 months and people think it awful. It's hard to not detect some bias in the authors reporting and judging by the vets comment she probably pick a sub par dairy to confirm her bias.

27 likes, 11 dislikes
Posted by let's be honest about cows on 03/14/2019 at 6:01 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

You couldn't have picked a worse example of dairy farmers in Vermont than the Vorstevelds. They have a well-deserved reputation around here for being slob farmers, with no respect for their land, their town, other people's property, or the environment. When they built a bunk silo within the town right-of-way and were told to remove it, they stalled and fought it for years, even carving EAT ME into the concrete bunk at the road. Last year they cut down all the trees, every one, along the road, in the town of Ferrisburgh right of way for a half mile, and are fighting the required replacement. They've been documented shooting raw manure from their spreader right into Lake Champlain. They shoot their guns late at night, having no respect for their neighbors, and as the article pointed out, they have the foulest mouths of any farmers I know, and I know a lot of them. They've spilled fertilizer and chemicals on the town roads, and only cleaned part of it up when the town told them to. Farmers in Vermont, and elsewhere, have been struggling for a few years with low milk prices, and unfortunately some of them have gone out of business and will continue to go out of business. If there's one farm that deserves to go out of business, it's the Vorstevelds, they're a local disgrace.

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Posted by AddisonCounty on 03/14/2019 at 12:01 PM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

While it's great Seven Days has pulled back the curtain and given its readers a much-needed look at the harsh realities of Vermont's large, confinement dairies, there's a whole lot more to this story. First and foremost, it needs to be pointed out that while farmers like the Vorstevelds are being paid less than the cost of production, forcing them to make all kinds of cost-cutting measures that negatively impact workers, cows and the environment, the big dairy processors like Cabot Creamery and Ben & Jerry's are enjoying huge profits (nearly a billion dollars a year in sales for both of them currently). It's this kind of economic exploitation and concentration of wealth by corporate monopolies that fuels our chronic dairy dilemma.

Our CAFO Dairy Watch project, which monitors conditions at these "concentrated animal feeding operations," has documented the health and environmental violations at the Vorsteveld Farm, including numerous antibiotic residue violations, both in the milk it was attempting to ship and in culled animals sent for slaughter and the meat supply.

Here, for example, is what the FDA said about the farm when they were cited for sending five calves for slaughter that had extremely high levels of antibiotic residues: "Our investigation also found that you hold animals under conditions that are so inadequate that medicated animals bearing potentially harmful drug residues are likely to enter the food supply."

It's time for Vermont to get serious about its dairy death-spiral, and come up with a real plan to help these farms transition away from the cheap, commodity model that is its broken foundation and towards methods and crops that do not exploit farmers, farmworkers, cows or the environment.

You can find our plan at

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Posted by Regeneration Vermont on 03/14/2019 at 8:54 AM

Re: “Who Wants to Work on a Vermont Dairy Farm? A Reporter Spent a Week Finding Out

Great reporting. I got to this article via a daily feed of recommended articles on CNN. I appreciate the depth of coverage about family farms and migrant workers. Hemp is a great idea. Any diversification of cropping is going to be a good idea heading into the next decade. Thanks for bringing perspective and humour to your subjects. As someone who follows the situation with dairy cooperatives and migrant labor up here in Canada it makes me realize how close our two situations are. Except of course we dont have tons of cheese in hidden government locations.
Toronto Canada

30 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by Steve77 on 03/13/2019 at 10:35 PM

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