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Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

When the state is tough on landlords there are several unintended consequences
1. Legal requirements will drive up rent as landlords experience the savvy renters who know how to get "free" rent for months at a time.
2. After a terrible experience we sold one of our rental units - prior to our experience this was an affordable and well kept home. No rent and in the end the house was trashed - even though we provided trash removal (curb side removal) I made 5 trips to the landfill with a pickup and a trailer - bags and bags of trash. There were no arguments and the tenant was not threatened beyond the fact that she was leaving me with no choice but eviction.

Fewer rental options and higher prices - landlords will build into their rent the cost of eviction and clean up.

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Posted by Charles N Sandra Russell on 02/02/2019 at 8:17 AM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

I got out of the business of providing residential rentals as have most of my entrepreneurial peers. Over time I realized that it was not the people who happened to have an unfortunate problem that didnt pay the rent. I knew when that was the case and worked with them. It was the increasing numbers of people who are gaming the system and the system that enables each generation to get better at it that forced me out. Now most of the rental housing that is built is built with tax dollars.

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Posted by Real Old Vermonter on 01/21/2019 at 2:49 PM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

For those living in subsidized housing, the landlord is also getting a much larger share of the rent directly from the state. $340 from the tenant might mean $600 to the landlord directly. I'm not saying the tenant shouldn't pay, just pointing out that there is some payment being made. As for tenants, there needs to be accountability on their end as well. I know it is difficult passing up things or doing without, but living within ones means has to be part of the equation. Tenants need to think about giving up smoking, getting a cheaper cell phone, and learning to shop and cook, until the larger issues of unaffordable housing are fixed. I grow extra food in my garden which goes to the food shelf to help with food insecurity and donate quality clothing to our thrift store. I give rides when I can to those who don't have a vehicle.

I am not in favor of paying more state funds to cover rent for people until/unless each situation has been explored and there is some hope that the money would assure that the person can be sustainable going forward. Everyone has the possibility of a life crisis that could put them in a bad position. I try not to assume anything but think there are better options to assist than just to throw money at every situation that seems to need help. There are other ways of helping, if one takes time to explore where to be of use, which are more advantageous and long-lasting for the person receiving the assistance.

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Posted by Sue T on 01/21/2019 at 2:27 PM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

As a landlord this state makes me sick.. its all about handouts. What about responsibikity?? Theres no need to be responsible. I just ended an 8 month battle to evict the daughter of a tenant who wasnt even supposed to be living in the place.

The legal aid lawyers & liberal judges have no respect for those who provide the housing. They care more about the bottom feeders.

This eviction cost me over 3000$. Legal aid advised her how to ditch the sheriff,
How to harass me over every little problem with the place, and more..

The judge & legal aid lawyer played the game for 8mos. No rent from May till she was outed jan 1

The judge & lawyer were told about the disgusting living conditions this pig & 12 year old daughter were living in. And still, they played every game to keep them there

This woman was so lazy she wouldnt even take her garbage to the landfill a mile up the road. Instead the garage became a dumpster for 8 mos. I needed 2 15 yard dumpsters to rid the place of garbage.

And the state wants to help these types even more?? Bullshit. Enough with the coddling.

Thanks to scum like this, my once nice mobile home is trashed with no recourse..

Vermont is ranked 50th in the US for landlord rights. And now legal aid wants another 800k to screw landlords more..

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Posted by Steve Works on 01/21/2019 at 8:07 AM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

She has a subsidised apartment , paying only $340 , and she still couldn't get her act together to pay this small amount . She couldn't take advantage of the various subsidised summer programs so she could actually work. Shame on her ! What kind of lesson is she teaching her boys , be a leech on society and don't worry because you will always be taken care of ?
I feel for those who struggle to make ends meet, not in subsidised housing , who are responsible adults doing their best . I feel for her children,, not her.

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Posted by Rich ard on 01/19/2019 at 11:24 AM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

They have. You're not talking about actual compassion. You're talking about forcing people to pay other people to take vacations instead of honoring a contract they signed.
Actual compassion is exactly what I said above. You start a non profit, ask people to donate what they can, and you can hand money to those who need it, based on your own criteria.

The tax wouldn't do that. Someone who barely pays their own bills might now not be able to. Now they go to subsidized housing. Why not? And now they can go on vacation, because you'll pay the rent, a d they're paying into the find too, so why not?

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Posted by doom on 01/18/2019 at 1:54 PM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

"Us" is our society and our neighbors and the human beings we interact with or don't interact with every day. As human beings we have both an obligation to them, and receive a benefit when our society is stronger and more productive. I hope if hard times ever come your way, people show you empathy and support.

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Posted by some of us are sometimes right on 01/18/2019 at 8:54 AM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

"but if a program like this can really make a difference, perhaps we shouldn't let isolated anecdotes scare us away from making an investment."

Who is us, comrade? You could always start some sort of non profit that would pay people's rents so they can travel for family vacations. I don't think that would be that successful, but the free market does do wonders.
It's not an anecdote, it's a logical outcome of something like this. Every action made has predictable outcomes. Some are great. Others are bad. Everything is a choice of options.

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Posted by doom on 01/17/2019 at 12:47 PM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate


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Posted by doom on 01/16/2019 at 7:24 PM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with a delusional person, but the research discussed in the article indicates the reality of the situation, which is one that involves a single unlucky break forcing a family away from "barely holding on" and to "really struggling to get back on their feet." Individuals can always do ridiculous things, but if a program like this can really make a difference, perhaps we shouldn't let isolated anecdotes scare us away from making an investment.

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Posted by some of us are sometimes right on 01/16/2019 at 3:36 PM

Re: “Housing Advocates Say State Back-Rent Payments Could Halve Eviction Rate

I once had tenant who had a good job- single mom, 2 kids, family in the community. One month she didnt pay the rent and did not reach out. When I caught up with her, she said that she had decided to take her young children to Disney World instead of paying the rent. She said it was more important to provide for her children in that way then for me to have her rent with which to pay the mortgage on her apartment house. She would not agree to a plan to pay the back rent and told me I could do without. I hired a lawyer and had her evicted and soon found a much more responsible tenant.

If the State were to use my tax dollars to bail out a family that chose to visit Disney instead of paying their rent, I wouldnt feel any obligation to voluntarily pay my taxes.

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Posted by Good Landlord on 01/16/2019 at 2:10 PM

Re: “Some of Vermont's Highest-Paid Execs Run Nonprofits

Higher responsibility = higher pay.

Income Inequality doesn't matter. I make minimum wage and am able to pay all of my bills and support my 4 year old son as a single father. It doesn't matter that some people make more than me.

To those of you complaining that you make so little money at YOUR job and deserve so much more, quit. Find another job that pays you what "you deserve". Nobody who has commented on this article even has a hint of an idea about how much it takes to run an organization like UVM or UVMC - or how much responsibility it requires.

Ask yourself this before you start typing or open your mouth:

When's the last time I was required to cut my vacation short because if I didn't then I wouldn't have a job to come back to and I would be responsible for all of my co-workers losing their jobs as a result of the closing of my Organization?

If someone I don't even know, who works for my company commits fraudulent activities (or otherwise violated the law), will I be personally held responsible and at risk for JAIL TIME? (Unless you are an Executive or Owner then the answer is NO).

The market pays you for your value. There are a handful of people in the country that are capable of running organizations like the ones mentioned in the article. And they bear ultimate responsibility for their organizations.

You all just want the benefits without the responsibilities. How sad. Typical Vermont Liberals.

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Posted by whysettle on 12/09/2018 at 12:20 PM

Re: “Whither Chelsea? A Confluence of Challenges Imperils the Orange County Seat

I have a young family in Chelsea, and the town you wrote about in this article isn't my town. We moved to town just before the birth of my daughter who is now eight. The town welcomed us, and we found Chelsea to be a community where people with different values could come together and in the truest sense become neighbors. On a winter's evening we might go down to outdoor ice skating rink in town, and if it's getting dark turn on the lights. There are often pick up hockey games ensuing. On Wednesday night there is a weekly writer's group. We take our kids to the farmer's market, where they came run around on the green while we shop for local food. We just went to a opening at the new art gallery in town and the place was busy all night with probably close to a hundred people who came and went over the course of the evening, enjoying art and company. Our kids participated in the Harry Potter event that was dismissively referenced in your article - close to eighty people were involved between entertainers, volunteers, and participants. It was lovingly put together and a lot of fun.
We were sad we missed the yoga fundraiser in town last weekend put on by the local arts group Safeart because of holiday commitments, but we know we can catch many of the other events they put on for this community on a regular basis.

I suppose you could drive down and see my town the way the author of your article saw it. But I don't understand why you would want to. Sadly, in a newspaper purporting to address communities, you missed mine.
-Megan Campbell

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Posted by Megan Campbell on 12/08/2018 at 3:35 PM

Re: “Whither Chelsea? A Confluence of Challenges Imperils the Orange County Seat

Yikes! Yes, I'd definitely recommend broadening the scope of your research here. Strangely, I don't see any quotes from current high school students and families. It goes without saying that the closing of Chelsea High School has been a hard pill to swallow (and it's okay to reiterate that) BUT where are the voices that speak to the variety of options now open to students? Where have they chosen to go and why? What is their experience at their new schools? I know firsthand that it's not all bad. For what it's worth, I grew up in a choice town and went to a nearby high school that my parents and grandparents attended. I will always have a deep connection to and nostalgia for the little town I grew up in, not the one where I went to high school.

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Posted by Heidi Hope Chapman on 12/08/2018 at 11:58 AM

Re: “Whither Chelsea? A Confluence of Challenges Imperils the Orange County Seat

I'm sure you were attempting to convey a frustration that you thought must accompany residents of this town because they live in a small community lacking the ammenities of some neighboring towns and cities, but I find that this article is missing the big sense of community that I see in Chelsea all the time. Just one example I can think of: the chili cook off hosted by the Friends of the Library this past summer drew over 100 people and contained a wonderful display of love for the community- a local man won a raffle and he donated all the money, which was over $100, back to the library! While this community is certainly upset about the loss of its high school, they were facing a choice that many towns in Vermont are facing due to an aging population and lack of students. And that picture of the kids-I'm sure it illustrated your point well of how sad the kids are that their high school student friends are gone but I can't believe that throughout the halls of Chelsea school you encountered wave after wave and classroom after classroom of sad children. In short, I think its unfair of you to lampoon Chelsea in this way when so many towns in Vermont are trying their hardest to solve this exact problem, and to me, Chelsea residents seem to do it with a pretty good sense of community, something this article does not show.

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Posted by Ashley Jamele on 12/07/2018 at 1:48 PM

Re: “Whither Chelsea? A Confluence of Challenges Imperils the Orange County Seat

A sad turn of events in the beautiful Vermont town where I lived and established a practice.
Chelsea always seemed to have a dichotomy in it's demographics with
an established base of deeply-rooted "red plaid" families whose ancestors were the original settlers, and in stark contrast, a sizeable group of "organic", formerly urban folk, who came, not just to "get away from it all", but rather to be part of a thriving rural community. In many places, this would have been a recipe for endless strife and bickering. But in the beautiful village of Chelsea, nestled between the surrounding steep hill farms, it was magic. The two seemingly disparate populations forged relationships and shared their strengths, cooperatively managing the schools, roads, fire and rescue, and conducting the town's business. Chelsea became a town where you could purchase a draft horse harness or a mocha latte; a town where you could attend an antique tractor rodeo and a peace vigil, all in the same day. When you stopped in to "The Pines", a local tavern and eatery, you would see Chelsea folk on opposite ends of the political and socioeconomic spectrum discussing current events, town happenings, sporting events, family milestones or even politics. Even the most heated political discussions ended with a shared drink and a slap on the back. For me, the shared respect, values, and relationships forged across what might have been a deep chasm were the beauty and life blood of Chelsea. I suspect that same beauty and life is still there to be found as Chelsea reinvents itself.
Julie Krasne
former Chelsea resident

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Posted by Julie Krasne on 12/07/2018 at 10:59 AM

Re: “Whither Chelsea? A Confluence of Challenges Imperils the Orange County Seat

A few thoughts: The Chelsea Arts on the Green Market and Festival which was held in August of this year, was a well attended event with almost 40 artists and artisans sharing their work on the North Common. It also included a full day of music and a family tent which was full throughout the day. It was so successful that seed money was generated for 2019's event and the Chelsea Arts Collective determined that we needed a home base for sharing art within the community. The opening of North Common Arts hosted more than 200 people throughout the day, who were energized and excited about possibility within our community. It was not a single pot-luck, rather a series, which gained in steam and enthusiasm as well as attendance. This community is holding its head up and showing what is possible when people come together with a common vision. The article does not reflect the optimism that exists here and the energy injected by young families who are either carrying family farming traditions or creating their own. I am disappointed that your article does not reflect the forward thinking many of us have experienced in this past year.

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Posted by Carrie Caouette-De Lallo on 12/05/2018 at 10:38 PM

Re: “Whither Chelsea? A Confluence of Challenges Imperils the Orange County Seat

Didnt see much discussion of the reopening of the convenience store - including gas and diesel pumps - this year, the very successful arts festival, the community barn-quilt event, the resurgence of the farmers market, the activists working on establishing a grocery co-op, the many small businesses (like the dozen or so young farmer/entrepeneurs growing and marketing high-quality foods and value-added products, the green-industry startups.... you even missed the OTHER Homestay/B&B in town!). No discussion of the community potlucks all winter where residents of all ages gathered, ate, entertained one another, and discussed the ongoing revitaluzation of the town.

There has been much for Chelsea-ites to celebrate.

Chelsea has also been gifted with a lot of young families who have come here with energy and ideals, determined to bring the town back.

Badly researched article. Nicely written, though!

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Posted by Doc Gordon on 12/05/2018 at 8:54 PM

Re: “Massachusetts Republican John Kingston Runs a Christian Retreat in Vermont

John Kingston, aka. Thurston Howell III, is just a fear monger as shown in his latest commercial. "Fear those that don't look like you", that's Kingston's page from the Trump playbook. Hard working Americans don't need some lawyer from Winchester. We need Warren - a fighter for the middle class. Hey John your wife looks a little different - she here legally ? How ya like it pal

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Posted by William Murphy on 08/30/2018 at 8:07 AM

Re: “Massachusetts Republican John Kingston Runs a Christian Retreat in Vermont

John Kingston - just another poser, a wolf in sheep's clothing. He was for the Republican neo liberal economic policies before he was against them or so he says. Middle class Americans don't need some shmuck from a white shoe Boston law firm.

Posted by William Murphy on 08/15/2018 at 8:45 AM

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