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Re: “Businesses Fret as Delays Extend Construction on St. Paul Street

Hi there, Mr. Imagam, I appreciate you unpacking whatever it is that was packed. Yes, you were lumping in my concerns with the Left. And I assume that means youre Right. Well, my concerns are more about trees than delays, and if you wish not to be delayed I wish you wouldnt read my comments. There may be soil contamination in the park, or there may not. As far as we being against everything Miro does, I think youre the one skipping around the issues. You see no merit in any of my points? You see no merit in anybodys points? Well, the problem is not with me; you and I just seem to be in the grip of opposing forces. We disagree. I can only add that it might be more grown-up of you to have your real name appear. On the other hand, what do I know? Bye, Mr. Imagam.

Posted by Charlie Messing on 03/23/2019 at 3:43 PM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

Pennsylvania, September 28, 1776
Article 13. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
North Carolina, December 18, 1776
A Declaration of Rights. Article XVII. That the people have a right to bear arms, for the defence of the State; and, as standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Vermont, July 8, 1777
Chapter 1. Section XVIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of the themselves and the State; and as standing armies, in the time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

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Posted by doom on 03/23/2019 at 1:03 PM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

A well tailored suit, being necessary to a sharp dressed Man, the right of the people to keep and wear clothing, shall not be infringed.

Does the well tailored suit have a right to keep and wear clothing in this sentence? Really?

2 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by doom on 03/23/2019 at 12:31 PM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

You could probably do something to help yourself learn about how our language works and how it's evolved over time. Maybe an adult education class?
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
From the Oxford.

It sure looks like they meant exactly the same thing as "laws restricting"! What would they do without a ton of regulations on clocks? It couldn't possibly mean "operating well" or "maintained"
They also said that blacks aren't citizens. Citizens United seems to upset people. Might not want to argue that they always get stuff right.

2 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by doom on 03/23/2019 at 12:28 PM

Re: “Burlington City Councilor Wants to Amend Conflict of Interest Policy

That's a great idea and long overdue. I think Miro should recuse himself to as many of the people he wants for projects he is friends with such as Don the con

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Posted by Gigrape52@gmail.com on 03/23/2019 at 11:57 AM

Re: “The Ex-Bernie Staffers Behind Beto’s Campaign

What makes O'Rourke a populist as stated here? And what's your basis for implying that these folks left Sanders when they went to work for O'Rourke in 2018 -- do you know that work was available with Sanders then? If not, it's hardly news that people in politics took available jobs. All in all this piece seems flimsy.

Posted by amchoor on 03/23/2019 at 11:03 AM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

""Ruthouse" and "Doom" declare themselves exerts on rights and go on to declare their right to access guns is effectively unlimited. Notwithstanding these pseudonymous experts, the Constitution begs to differ.

Even Heller, which waved away the word "militia" in the prefatory clause of the 2nd amendment, recognized that: Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

The 2nd amendment begins with the words: "A well regulated Militia." If the founders had wanted the rights (or the militia) to be unregulated, why did they begin by saying exactly the opposite? What does "well-regulated" mean, if not regulated?

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Posted by JohnGreenberg on 03/23/2019 at 10:19 AM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

"Ruthouse" and "Doom" declare themselves exerts on rights and go on to declare their right to access guns is effectively unlimited. Notwithstanding these pseudonymous experts, the Constitution begs to differ.

Even Heller, which waved away the word "militia" in the prefatory clause of the 2nd amendment, recognized that: Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

The 2nd amendment begins with the words: "A well regulated Militia." If the founders had wanted the rights (or the militia) to be unregulated, why did they begin by saying exactly the opposite? What does "well-regulated" mean, if not regulated?

3 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by JohnGreenberg on 03/23/2019 at 10:19 AM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

"Ruthouse" and "Doom" declare themselves exerts on rights and go on to declare their right to access guns is effectively unlimited. Notwithstanding these pseudonymous experts, the Constitution begs to differ.

Even Heller, which waved away the word "militia" in the prefatory clause of the 2nd amendment, recognized that: Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

The 2nd amendment begins with the words: "A well regulated Militia." If the founders had wanted the rights (or the militia) to be unregulated, why did they begin by saying exactly the opposite? What does "well-regulated" mean, if not regulated?

4 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by JohnGreenberg on 03/23/2019 at 10:18 AM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

"Ruthouse" and "Doom" declare themselves exerts on rights and go on to declare their right to access guns is effectively unlimited. Notwithstanding these pseudonymous experts, the Constitution begs to differ.

Even Heller, which waved away the word "militia" in the prefatory clause of the 2nd amendment, recognized that: Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

The 2nd amendment begins with the words: "A well regulated Militia." If the founders had wanted the rights (or the militia) to be unregulated, why did they begin by saying exactly the opposite? What does "well-regulated" mean, if not regulated?

4 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by JohnGreenberg on 03/23/2019 at 10:17 AM

Re: “Fee Hike Could Spawn Revenue to Save Salisbury Fish Hatchery

Closing down a fish hatchery in a state that depends almost exclusively on tourism to exist is yet another example of our elitist lawmakers cutting off their collective noses to spite their beautifully lotioned faces. Well- heeled fly fishermen and women will quickly put Vermont on their don,t visit list when the word spreads that there is little chance of catching trout in the green mountains. What is needed is renovation of the Salisbury hatchery, a new additional hatchery, and a massive willow tree planting program along our beautiful rivers to strengthen and preserve the riverbanks. The willow planting could be accomplished in part with an army of volunteer anglers. I would be the first to sign up. And yes I would gladly pay more for a license to improve the trout fishng.

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Posted by wahrheit on 03/23/2019 at 9:43 AM

Re: “Montpeculiar: Legislators Pour Over Vermont's Happy Hour Ban

Nickel Beers at Hannibuls oh yeah and our good friend Dubie the bartender. RIP Dubie along with George Bodette and George Gloat.

Posted by ski pepsi on 03/23/2019 at 7:49 AM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

You tax-paying, law-abiding, god-fearing, good-guy with a gun citizens can go home tonight, look lovingly at your guns, and know you can see them again tomorrow. Hug 'em tight, and keep living the dream world from long ago when flint-lock guns ruled the world in which men made laws.

Amend the Vermont Constitution. It's time.

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Posted by A_Trout on 03/22/2019 at 5:34 PM

Re: “Businesses Fret as Delays Extend Construction on St. Paul Street

Okay, Mr. Messing, let me unpack it further for you. I was lumping in your complaints along with all the other left leaning folks on the comment section and generalizing how ridiculous it is to take such offense to the delays. Lets be real here, its not the right thats complaining about Miro or even Democrats (like me) who are complaining about everything Miro does, its the left. Only they could find Miro personally responsible for unforseen road repair delays and make it a reflection on his administration. Yes you did complain about the delays and made assertions that a similar inconvenience could likely occur at City Hall Park. Im just noticing its hypocritical for you folks to complain about delays when the left has been engaging in delay tactics against anything Miro wants. Its a fair point to make. I noticed that you didnt speak to the substance of this argument but went into imagined technicalities and being dismissive because Im anonymous. It doesnt matter who I am, as long as what Im saying makes some amount of sense. The Grownassman just likes to comment, give context to and point out how unreasonable some criticism in this town is. Its why Im Grownass.

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Posted by imagrownassmanbtv on 03/22/2019 at 5:15 PM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

Our rights are not given to us by the constitution. Some of them are merely recognized by it. The constitution limits the government's power.

All rights are immediate, or they are not rights. You are born with a right to your life. The ability to defend it is paramount. The founders saw this, wrote about it, and both Federalists and anti Federalists agreed entirely about the right of the people to keep and bear arms. At all times. Federalist 29, the constitution of Virginia, the constitution of Vermont.
There were founders with private warships. In the revolution, the continental navy held 64 ships. The public operated close to 1700.
It's why they talked about "letters of marque".

12 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by doom on 03/22/2019 at 1:53 PM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

@ Tiki
Declaration of Independence: Our Rights Come From God..
Alienable according to Websters 1828 Dictionary means, That may be transferred to another[1] Therefore if the American Founders wanted to indicate that their rights could have been transferred to their elected representatives to be regulated and controlled, they would have used that term. However, they chose to describe our rights as unalienable, that which cannot be transferred to another. John Adams, a member of the committee that drafted the Declaration, made this understanding indisputable when he explained, I say RIGHTS, for such they have, undoubtedly, antecedent to all earthly government, Rights, that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws Rights, derived from the great Legislator of the universe.[2] Note that Adams said, rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws

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Posted by ruffhouse on 03/22/2019 at 1:18 PM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

There is no "right" to instantaneous gun access. Just the opposite is true: The Constitution and 200+ years of legal precedent demand regulation of "arms".

It's unfortunate the law does not go further by embracing standards found in every other industrialized country on earth. One needs to look no further than the posts on this bulletin board to see why the U.S. leads the world in gun deaths each year.

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Posted by Tiki Archambeau on 03/22/2019 at 12:56 PM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

There is no such thing as "gun violence". This is a focus-group-driven buzzword and talking point to create an imaginary bogeyman as the main anti 2nd Amendment propaganda tool. There are PEOPLE who commit violence with guns, but there are many more people who commit violence without them.
And, since the term "gun violence" is a catchword/cliche, the title suggests an unattainable goal. People have been robbing and killing other people, using the weapons of the day, since the beginning of man on this planet, which identifies the real issue - controlling criminal impulses in humans, not the otherwise legal instruments they use to commit crimes.
Anyone who doesn't realize and/or acknowledge this isn't thinking, s/he is 'feeling', and our liberty cannot depend upon what anybody 'feels'.

19 likes, 18 dislikes
Posted by ruffhouse on 03/22/2019 at 11:43 AM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

There are over 370 "mental disorders" listed in the latest version of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.) The list includes "Tobacco Addiction Disorder" among other equally mundane and ridiculous so-called "mental illnesses."
If the DSM is the standard by which politicians wishes to remove our rights to own guns, then I'd guess 90% of the American people could probably be classified with a mental disorder of one kind or another.
BEWARE, BEWARE

14 likes, 10 dislikes
Posted by ruffhouse on 03/22/2019 at 11:39 AM

Re: “Vermont Senate Backs 24-Hour Waiting Period for Gun Sales

Still doesn't address the folks who care less of laws. We never get to the root cause of the problem!

18 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by Edward McGrath on 03/22/2019 at 10:55 AM

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