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Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

Sharon Toborg notes that Planned Parenthood's c(3) gives lobbying grants to its c(4) as shown on its Form 990 (tinyurl.com/yxeyz7lc) on page 34 (and pp 4 and 50). In addition, they spend small amounts directly on lobbying. That's both true and perfectly legal. All 501(c)(3) organizations are limited as to lobbying (which is, in fact, why c(4)s were formed in the first place). Planned Parenthood's lobbying is well within the legal limits.

Jeb Tate claims that the NRA does not receive "direct taxpayer funding," but he's wrong The NRA has received money from Departments of Homeland Security, Agriculture, and Fish and Wildlife: https://www.quora.com/How-much-funding-if-….

There are more than 1.5 million 501(c)(3) organizations in the US, doing all sorts of things. Despite these claims to the contrary, I've already shown that Planned Parenthood is not at all unique in maintaining related c(4) and political organizations.

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Posted by JohnGreenberg on 05/21/2019 at 12:26 PM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

Greenberg -
My question was: tell me of another organization with a c4 that also gets direct taxpayer funding. The NRA and Sierra Club do not. The NAACP does but indirectly through educational money (some of which must eventually be paid back)...they also don't donate or lobby on anything near the scale that PP does. This three-headed Planned Parenthood Monster you've detailed is truly unique in our political landscape - their ability to reap so much taxpayer money is directly related to their lobbying and political donations. It's unseemly. And the different organizations are not siloed. They share information, officers, resources and end goals. I reference back to the point i was making...The writer suggests that Gov Scott is waiting on word from his conservative overlords before deciding whether to sign H.57 or not. An absurd notion if you look at the liberal laws that Scott has either sought or allowed to become law under his watch. But if the writer were to ask who the true pupper masters were - who makes donations and actually calls in on those favors - he need look no further than Planned Parenthood.

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Posted by Job Tate 1 on 05/20/2019 at 7:07 PM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

Most Vermonters, even those who consider themselves pro-choice, do not support unlimited, unrestricted abortion at any stage of pregnancy. I wonder if John Greenberg considers this a witch hunt? https://vtdigger.org/2013/11/19/planned-pa… Planned Parenthood of Northern New England routinely gives money from its 501(c)(3) tax deductible fund to its 501(c)(4) fund for lobbying and political activities. It is documented in their IRS filings.

Posted by Sharon Toborg on 05/20/2019 at 2:26 PM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

Answers to Jeb Tate's questions:
1) "why does PP need tax dollars at all if it has money to spend on political donations?" Planned Parenthood has no money to spend on political donations; it is strictly illegal for a 501(c)(3) organization to make political donations. Planned Parenthood PAC has money ONLY for political purposes; it does no clinical, educational or other work. As noted previously, these are 2 separate organizations.
2) "Are we supposed to believe ... isn't symbiotic? I don't know what your question means.
3) "PP isn't receiving "tax deductible funding." Yes, it is. Contributions to any 501(c)(3) organization are tax-deductible under the limits set by Congress.
4) "it's receiving tax dollars. Yes, it is. That does not contradict the previous point.
5) "in the case of Vermont tax dollars that DOES go directly towards abortions." That could well be true. I'm not familiar enough with Vermont law to answer that. But NO federal tax dollars go to abortions or have gone towards abortions since the Hyde amendment was passed decades ago. Planned Parenthood has received substantial scrutiny from its enemies who would love to prove that it is violating the law. All of these "witch hunts" have been fruitless so far.
6) "can you cite me some examples?" Sure: NAACP, Sierra Club, and NRA have all 3: c(3), c(4) and PAC. NRDC, ACLU, Oxfam all have c(3) and (c)(4) organizations. There are plenty of other examples

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Posted by JohnGreenberg on 05/20/2019 at 11:51 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

John Greenberg - why does PP need tax dollars at all if it has money to spend on political donations? Are we supposed to believe that the relationship between PP's political donations and their access to tax dollars isn't symbiotic? And PP isn't receiving "tax deductible funding" - it's receiving tax dollars, and in the case of Vermont tax dollars that DOES go directly towards abortions - a court case just waiting to happen.

You say many organizations exist with the tax dollars coming into one organization, while an aligned PAC that shares many officers and direct communication with the other organization, donates to their preferred political candidates - can you cite me some examples?

The writer of this unfunny, absurd piece refers to the dark money of the RGA like it wields some sort of conservative spell over one of the most liberal governors in the country - Republican or Democrat. Where was this dark money with the gun bill, individual mandate, marijuana legalization, sancturary state bill etc etc?
If we want to talk about dark money wielding unholy power over politicians in Vermont look no further than planned parenthood and the vt nea. Look at his 3 years in office - Scott is going to do whatever he wants to do, the RGA be damned.

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Posted by Job Tate 1 on 05/19/2019 at 1:56 PM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

Job Tate's smear on Planned Parenthood is unwarranted. The organization which receives federal tax dollars is legally separate from the organization making political donations. That means its funding sources are entirely separate. If they aren't, the IRS could easily remove their tax status.

Specifically, that means that donors to the PAC are giving money (which is not tax-deductible) specifically for political purposes, not to support the clinical and other services Planned Parenthood provides. While some donors may give to both organizations, not all do.

The fact that there are 2 closely related organizations is not unusual. Plenty of organizations maintain a 501(c)(3) branch to receive tax-deductible funding, a 501(c)(4) organization to lobby and a PAC to make political contributions. This is an artifact of American tax law

As to the allegation that the PAC supports only Democrats and Progressives, that's because the overwhelming majority of Republican politicians are anti-choice. Back when there were pro-choice Republicans, Planned Parenthood supported them: Barbara Snelling, Jim Jeffords, and others received support from Planned Parenthood's PAC.

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Posted by JohnGreenberg on 05/19/2019 at 11:20 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

Does the writer of this - what I will generously call satire - have an even basic understanding of the political donation mafia that is Planned Parenthood? Planned Parenthood of Northern New England receives taxpayer dollars from both the federal govt and from Vermont taxpayers and then they donate through their PAC exclusively to democrats and progressives.

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Posted by Job Tate 1 on 05/19/2019 at 9:56 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Scott: Abortion Rights Decisions Should Be Left Between a Governor and His Donors

Gov. Scott should be thinking of the residents of Vermont who are overwhelming pro-choice and support this bill, not his puppet-masters. Laws are for what's best for all the people, not one man's wallet! Gov. Scott is being very unethical and no amount of monetary contribution will erase this from the voters' minds-what really matters in an election. Do your job, Governor. Sign the bill!

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Posted by BiskitStephens on 05/19/2019 at 9:29 AM
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Re: “The Parmelee Post: Critics: Aging Sanders Lacks the Necessary Drive to be President

He is running as a Dem, so...

Posted by Alexander Clay Lavin on 02/26/2019 at 11:05 PM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Vermont Offers $5K to Anyone Who Can Find the State on a Map

Yup just wastes the taxpayer's money., jobs aren't here, maybe if they spent more time fixing Vt, getting more businesses in Vt they wouldn't do stupid things. giving $5,000 if you can find Vt on the map... Takes all kinds to think these stupid things up..SMH

Posted by Donna Boutin on 01/29/2019 at 10:52 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Vermont Gun Heartbroken to Learn He’s Not Being Taken Away From Owner

Some valid points, but this is written in such a volatile way that it cannot invite any meaningful discourse . . . I think the "psychological warfare" point should be expanded on in an honest way, that shows how both sides of the gun control argument are manipulated, and essentially blind to that manipulation. But that might not be possible if the author is either for or against gun ownership in general (of any sort of gun, be it a flintlock pistol or ar-15)

Posted by tkrrkt on 01/26/2019 at 7:37 AM
Posted by Liz Curry on 01/15/2019 at 9:37 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Burlington Mural Continues to Cover Up White Crimes

Well I give you credit for trying to amuse with a subject most wouldn't touch . They'd rather scratch their eyes out .

Posted by Rich ard on 12/19/2018 at 10:14 PM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Burlington Developer Unveils Spacious New 10,000-Bedroom Apartment

Weinberger finally has a place to put the poor.

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Posted by Mt.Philo on 11/13/2018 at 8:37 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Burlington Developer Unveils Spacious New 10,000-Bedroom Apartment

We let Donny boy get away with a lot of corner cutting and yup- we get a kick in the butt....makes you want to stop and think- (right) about the town council doesn't it ? Of course I'm from Shelburne- WHERE WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS- lol- just a half million dollar bill for a lawsduit against the railroad....silly us...and a new fire truck and a new library...SPEND SPEND SPEN- but no hole!

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Posted by Sean Moran 1 on 11/12/2018 at 5:23 PM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Burlington Developer Unveils Spacious New 10,000-Bedroom Apartment

Great story and it's pretty much true. That's Don the con artist for you... Lol

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Posted by Gi Grape on 11/12/2018 at 10:26 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Burlington Developer Unveils Spacious New 10,000-Bedroom Apartment

The picture with this article could be titled " the unavoidable end result of Neo-liberal economic policies and real estate hucksterism".

Thanks Miro.

Thanks City Council.

Thanks Mr. Sinex.

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Posted by NorthOldEnder on 11/12/2018 at 9:40 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Burlington Developer Unveils Spacious New 10,000-Bedroom Apartment

Thanks, Oracle! That's fixed.

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Posted by Andrea Suozzo on 11/12/2018 at 9:25 AM

Re: “The Parmelee Post: Burlington Developer Unveils Spacious New 10,000-Bedroom Apartment

Needs a minor edit: "'Think of this as one giant toilet in right in the heart of your city.'"

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Posted by The Oracle on 11/12/2018 at 8:28 AM

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