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Re: “Culcleasure Vows to Remain in Burlington Mayoral Race

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Adam Salem: "And it matters because you're not going to find a more progressive population set in all of Burlington. I think it's safe to assume that RAD members and Prog members are among the most progressive voters in Burlington."

You proved my point for me: RAD and the Progressive Party are a population subset of Burlingtonians, this is not the same as holding a City-wide election for mayor. A subset is never a substitute for one voice one vote.

And, why do you keep mentioning the "progressiveness" of the two groups you keep bringing up? Voters can be "progressive" on one issue and "conservative" on another. People are complex and their political views reflect that. You cannot predict the outcome of a general election by a self selected group.

"i hope im not paying off student loans for my poli sci degree just to take down democracy"

I think this was supposed to be a snarky comment on your part to illustrate how much you know about the political process. Unfortunately, I think it might be worth going back to basic civics and constitutional lessons as you are ignoring the basic tenements of our democracy in your blatantly political responses.

Finally, unless you make some completely new point, I think this will be my last comment as I don't feel you are reading anything but instead instinctively reacting.

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Posted by dogsforcats on 02/09/2018 at 9:38 PM

Re: “Culcleasure Vows to Remain in Burlington Mayoral Race

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Adam Salem: "In this case, I think looking at the RAD & Prog endorsements is the smart thing to do"

It may be what you think is "smart" to look at RAD and Prog endorsements and, by all means, you are entitled to do so to form your opinion and cast your ballot: that is the point. Every voter can use whatever bench mark they want: X can vote for Miro because they find having any housing more progressive than having no housing, Y can vote for Carina because they think progressive parents raise progressive children and Z can vote for Infinite because they think he has the most progressive name. Do I personally agree with the reasoning of Z, Y, or Z? NO. Does that change their right to vote the way they want to or vote based on their own opinion? NO.

"Both RAD and the Progs held open elections, that is inherently democratic."

Having open elections as part of an organization is not the same thing as holding open GOVERNMENT REGULATED elections. Seven Days only gives me 300 words (and I have already had to split my post in two) so I don't have the space to go into the difference constitutionally, but it matters.

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Posted by dogsforcats on 02/09/2018 at 9:34 PM

Re: “Culcleasure Vows to Remain in Burlington Mayoral Race

Adam Salem, what do you have against the democratic process?

And why do you think its okay to substitute the endorsements of organizations like RAD for the votes of citizens?

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Posted by dogsforcats on 02/09/2018 at 5:18 PM

Re: “Culcleasure Vows to Remain in Burlington Mayoral Race

Adam Salem: "Dogsforcats: are you one of the gentrifiers for Infinite?"

I am a native Burlingtonian who has been in the North End long before you popped up in VT politics. Does that give me any more say than any one else in who is elected to represent us? NO, it does not.
Gentrification is a complex problem that you are trying to minimize with equating it to political preference.

Also, who said I was voting for Infinite? If you read what I wrote before hitting the reply button, I argued that trying to push a candidate (ANY) candidate out of a race for political expediency was undemocratic.

Adam Salem: "if you're framing your campaign as the one focused on "movement politics" isn't a big red-flag when you don't win the endorsement of the group (RAD) focusing on movement politics?"

No. An endorsement by any organization means very little. It means even less in this context where there are two candidates positioning themselves of left of center and a left of center organization wants to endorse. Organizations usually look to see if candidates check off certain boxes (supports X, is against Y) but here, my guess is it was hard to tell the difference with the exception that one candidate was related to Bernie Sanders. I am going to let you figure out which one.

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Posted by dogsforcats on 02/09/2018 at 5:13 PM

Re: “Culcleasure Vows to Remain in Burlington Mayoral Race

Adam Salem, as always, your comment seems to totally miss the mark (at least we can count on you for consistency).

First, a side note: how do you know (not "guess" but actually have really knowledge of) who is going to vote for Infinite? These are baseless claims that you are asserting as forgone conclusions.

Now to the main point:
In a democracy, candidates are asked to hold themselves out for public office if they think they can serve the people who they seek to represent and the people vote on who would be the best representative based on the election process. It is extremely UNdemocratic to demand, coerce, pressure a candidate to drop out of the race in order to restructure the competition "strategically." That is not the democratic voice of the people and that is not giving the people as many options as they deserve to have.

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Posted by dogsforcats on 02/09/2018 at 3:02 PM

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