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Re: “In Suburban South Burlington, a Holdout Farmer Plans to Expand

These types of collaborations are fabulous. Thanks to all those involved.

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 11/07/2018 at 5:09 PM

Re: “Longtime Organic Ag Leader Enid Wonnacott Steps Down

"I am interested in where the $2.8 million budget for NOFA-VT comes from. That's a pretty good amount of money."

Actually, it's not much more than UVMMC pays its CEO.

If you're interested, check the 990. Most of the money comes from membership fees and dues.

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 10/30/2018 at 8:53 PM

Re: “DR Power Equipment Plans to Move Headquarters, Jobs From Vergennes

knowyourassumptions:

You say "no context" but continue to ignore the point. These types of "incentives" cannot be objectively evaluated for their return on investment.

"Are you suggesting that this thing that happened 19 years ago was illegal or improper?"
Exaggerate much? I said no such thing.

"If the company was not required to provide evidence that the tax incentive created jobs or added economic benefit, that sounds like the Legislatures fault."
First, companies are required to create the jobs (which can be verified), but VEPC is not permitted to tell taxpayers how many or at what wages. My comment asked if it bothered you that I can't tell you that information. I did not criticize the company for that. Another misrepresentation.

Your comments about the fact that the "incentives" were awarded 19 years ago also misses the point. These programs should always be compared to alternative types of public investments. For example, laying fiber for broadband has a much longer life than 19 years. Building affordable housing serves an immediate need, creates jobs, AND the asset is there for 100 years. And so on.

As for whether the state should spend millions on such "incentive" programs, I repeat what I said earlier (I can't get evidence that they create jobs that wouldn't have been created otherwise) and I direct you to a recent report from my office that (among other things) provides information from prominent researchers about their findings in the matter.
https://auditor.vermont.gov/sites/auditor/…

And finally, I will not stop asking those - like you, who post anonymously to use your real names. Just because it's a rule on the site doesn't mean I can't argue that readers should know who is posting (lots of people agree with me btw).

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 10/27/2018 at 6:39 AM

Re: “DR Power Equipment Plans to Move Headquarters, Jobs From Vergennes

"in this case, your statement with no context was disingenuous"

why is a fact disingenuous?
the context is clear; no objective process can ascertain if the "incentive" was necessary

BTW - why do you (like "knowyourassumptions") feel the need to hide behind the anonymity provided by SevenDays?

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 10/26/2018 at 8:53 PM

Re: “DR Power Equipment Plans to Move Headquarters, Jobs From Vergennes

knowyourassumptions: Once again, you have ignored my questions.
Useless.

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 10/26/2018 at 7:59 PM

Re: “DR Power Equipment Plans to Move Headquarters, Jobs From Vergennes

knowyourassumptions: What you seem unwilling to accept is that there is no way to answer any of your questions. Auditors require evidence. The VEGI program is predicated on a subjective "but for" assertion that is based on private board room decisions that cannot be verified.

BTW - While I have access to information about job creation, it is considered proprietary so cannot share it Vermonters. Does that bother you?

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 10/26/2018 at 6:32 PM

Re: “DR Power Equipment Plans to Move Headquarters, Jobs From Vergennes

For the record, this company was awarded over $700,000 in state tax "incentives" in 1999.

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Posted by Doug Hoffer on 10/26/2018 at 4:09 PM

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