Sen. Dick Sears Credit: File: Jeb Wallace-brodeur

In late December 2012, Steven Davis, a Bennington math and science teacher, was seen putting a Bushmaster AR-15 semiautomatic rifle into his car. Concerned neighbors called the police, and officers went to Davis’ home. Finding no evidence of a crime, they left without taking the rifle.

By the next day, according to the Bennington Banner, Davis had posted videos online criticizing the local teachers’ union and making statements that led people to worry he might become violent. Davis’ wife filed for a restraining order against him.

“I’ve studied military tactics, and this is the way to go,” he said in one video. “It’s all going to hit so hard, so fast and shut that school system down ’til they get things straight.”

According to Bennington Police Chief Paul Doucette, members of the Mount Anthony Union High School community reported the videos soon after they were posted.

“We were getting inundated with telephone calls from schoolteachers because he was sending out emails,” the chief told the Banner at the time. “It became disturbing to some people.”

In response, police asked Davis to hand over his rifle. He surrendered the weapon voluntarily and allowed the cops to take him to a hospital for a mental health evaluation.

“That [incident] raised the issue of ‘What if he said no?'” Sen. Dick Sears (D-Bennington) told colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee early this month. “Nothing you can do until he kills somebody.”

To defuse such situations in the future, Sears, who chairs the committee, has introduced legislation to permit police to ask a judge for an “extreme risk protection order” allowing cops to confiscate a citizen’s guns for up to a year. The proposal complements — or is an alternative to — a House-passed measure that would authorize police to seize guns immediately when they arrest or cite someone for domestic violence.

Both proposals take a narrower approach to reducing gun crimes than a far more controversial bill to require background checks for all firearms sales. Media coverage and advocacy efforts in Vermont have largely focused on that broader bill, which has never advanced beyond Sears’ committee since it was first introduced five years ago. Its chances of passage this year don’t look much better.

“The committee rejected it [in 2015] … and the committee’s still the same, so I don’t think any minds have been changed there,” Sears said of the background-checks bill.

It’s possible, though not certain, that a limited focus on preventing domestic violence might boost the newer bills’ chances of passage.

While they view the proposals from different vantage points, some gun rights supporters and some domestic violence advocates agree that targeting specific situations — not all gun owners — could increase safety without compromising gun rights.

Under current law, police can’t seize guns except in very specific circumstances, such as when a gun is part of a criminal investigation or a court has issued a domestic violence restraining order. Sears said none of those things applied in the Bennington incident.

“Even though he had made these threats, even though he possessed a [high-powered rifle], there was no process” to protect the public, Sears said of Davis.

The House bill, which passed that chamber last March on a 78-60 vote, allows police to take guns for up to five days when someone is arrested or cited for domestic violence — immediately, without a court hearing.

That bill awaits a hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Sears has expressed concerns about it. He worries that the measure violates the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unwarranted search and seizure, a concern gun rights advocates share.

“I want to do something that will stand constitutional muster, No. 1,” Sears said.

A gun stored in the critical evidence locker at the Colchester Police Department Credit: James Buck

Despite his reservations about the House proposal, the Senate judiciary chair said he agrees that police should have expanded power to remove guns from certain potentially dangerous situations. He said his bill is an attempt to address that without violating gun owners’ right to due process.

Unlike the House bill, Sears’ proposal would require police officers to get a judge’s permission to take away one’s guns and prevent them from buying more for up to a year. Sears said it’s important that gun owners have a chance to argue their cases in court before the government takes their firearms.

“This approach is something that I’m more comfortable with,” Sears said. “Having a quick [court] process rather than just one police officer based upon a victim’s statement or whatever.”

His legislation is based on existing laws in Washington and Oregon, Sears said, bolstering his argument that it passes constitutional muster. Both states allow authorities to take guns away from people if a court rules that they are a threat to themselves or others.

Also improving the chances of Sears’ bill is the fact that it has not provoked outright opposition from the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, the Vermont affiliate of the National Rifle Association. The federation has lobbied in the Statehouse for years against nearly every gun control proposal.

“Vermont doesn’t need any new gun control laws,” said federation president Chris Bradley. “There is no problem that needs to be solved here.”

Bradley acknowledged that even if Vermont doesn’t have a gun problem, “clearly there is a domestic violence issue.” But he argued that the House-passed bill crosses a line because it allows police to take guns without a court order.

“The officer is now suddenly put in a position to be … judge, jury and executioner,” Bradley said. “That person can, in effect, take all firearms from the house.”

While he did not endorse Sears’ plan, he said the federation is “not opposed” and will be following the legislation closely.

“I think we can all agree that there are certain people in this world who should not have firearms,” Bradley said. “I see [Sears’ bill] as an attempt to, in a framework of due process, make that determination.”

A second gun rights group disagrees. Ed Cutler, the president of Gun Owners of Vermont, said his organization opposes both the House and Senate bills. While Sears’ legislation provides some due process, going to court will likely involve hefty legal expenses for gun owners, Cutler said.

“A judge can say anything … He’s generally going to go against the defendant because he wants to be sure that nothing is going to happen,” he said. “So you need a lawyer. A lawyer to go to court on something like this is $2,000 to $3,000, minimum.”

Cutler says his group’s solution is simple: If someone is violent, they should be locked up. If they haven’t done anything wrong yet, they should be allowed to keep their legally owned guns.

On the other side of the issue, organizations that advocate for victims of domestic violence worry about potential delays if a court hearing is required.

Auburn Watersong, associate director of public policy at the Vermont Network Against Domestic and Sexual Violence, said it’s vital to give police the power to take guns away as they respond to an incident.

“That’s because … when that domestic violence situation in that household is brought out into public light, that is often the most dangerous time for a victim,” she said. “And what we’re trying to get at is not waiting until there is a court order in place.”

Watersong said she doesn’t oppose Sears’ plan. She just doesn’t think it goes far enough.

Police, who would be responsible for seizing and storing guns if these bills pass, have practical concerns. Colchester Police Chief Jennifer Morrison said she and the cops she works with are fully on board with protecting victims of domestic violence or threats, but they are already dealing with too many guns.

“Disposing of firearms is one of the most difficult parts of managing our evidence and property rooms,” said Morrison, who also serves as president of the Vermont Association of Chiefs of Police.

Under state law, officials need permission from the commissioner of public safety or the state treasurer in order to destroy or sell guns held by the government. According to Morrison, those officials have refused to give their permission for years, even when she proposed bringing in a private company that can strip guns for parts and then destroy them for free.

With no legal way for cops to get rid of the guns, they pile up.

Morrison said she’s not opposed to either bill. She just wants to make sure lawmakers consider all of the consequences of their proposals.

“I’m really sticking to the practicalities of accounting for and safely storing [guns],” she said. “It takes some resources to do these things.”

With three pieces of gun legislation before them, senators have scheduled a public hearing at the Statehouse on January 30. Gun rights, gun control and domestic violence advocacy groups have already started mobilizing their members to make the trip.

“We’ll be attending by the thousands, hopefully,” said Cutler. “Put it this way: The Statehouse will be full.”

Asked whether any of the gun proposals are likely to pass through his committee, Sears said it’s too soon to tell.

“I don’t know what we’ll do,” he said. “Everything depends on what we hear at the public hearing.”

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10 replies on “Zeroing In? A New Senate Proposal Aims for Common Ground on Gun Safety”

  1. considering Officer Christopher Brown has shot two Vermonters to death in the span of 5 months and is STILL on duty- who is going to have the power to remove firearms from the hands of Vermonters who HAVE killed people and yet remain free as a result of a fake badge on their chest

  2. I’m sick of out of state groups masquerading as “grass roots” that spend big bucks trying to infringe on our rights! The only way for any of these laws to work is criminalizing private guns sales, the only way for that to work is firearms registration, then what comes next in confiscation! Vermont is a safe state, and if guns scare you feel free to relocate someplace like NY, CT, CA, MA etc, I’m sure you will be much happier there.

  3. Many gun control propositions sound good on the surface but when probed, they turn out to be just one more log on the democrat fire to disarm the people. For example, does “health professional” mean “psychiatrist” or just any doctor or nurse? I’d feel more comfortable with two or more board certified psychiatrists and the patient’s personal physician. When law enforcement investigates, would a health professional’s “belief” carry the power of a warrant? And in this case would a judges permission be the equivalent of a warrant?

    Would the “accused” be given an opportunity to safely store his firearms temporarily or dispose of them before arrest and detention? This is important because many citizens have no relatives. Could “relinquish” mean confiscate permanently or would an unsuspecting family be given an opportunity to take them? Would the “accused” be allowed a trial by jury or could a conviction result from a health professional’s opinion, a police investigation and a judge’s order? Due process means different things even after careful study of the law.

    We all want nuts, felons, terrorists and illegal aliens to be denied possession of firearms, explosives, poisons, toxins, dangerous drugs, vehicle operators licenses and many other things. But most of these bills fall far short of a well-crafted law. Its important to remember that those who carry out mass murders fear armed citizens and its precisely why governments always disarm the governed before they purge the disobedient.

    Taken together, all the mass shooting deaths from nuts, felons, terrorists and illegal aliens, throughout history for the entire planet, is infinitesimal compared to the total number of civilian citizens murdered by governments. Its the reason for our 2nd Amendment and throughout human history, it has been a very bad idea to allow any government to disarm its people.

  4. Interesting language by Chris Bradley in saying the police officer cannot be “judge, jury, and executioner,” with the ability to confiscate firearms. Seems those words more aptly describe a vengeful and unbalanced domestic abuser with a loaded gun.

    Also, this paranoid notion that any attempt to regulate guns is a sneaky first step to inevitable full confiscation and outlaw has to stop! It’s absurd and irrational, and often seems to be a first line of argument against the slightest inconvenience to gun owners.

  5. Funny how those “paranoid notion that any attempt to regulate guns is a sneaky first step to inevitable full confiscation…” are ALWAYS proven by how many attempts at regulation & confiscation actually are tried!
    Vermont Anti-Firearm Legislation 2013-2014 session (17)
    H.124
    H.125
    H.243
    H.335
    H.336
    H.413
    H.467
    H.706
    H.735 CONFISCATION BILL (passed)
    H.825
    H.830
    S.032 CONFISCATION BILL
    S.094
    S.095
    S.118
    S.178
    S.216
    2015-2016 session (15)
    H.090 CONFISCATION BILL
    H.091
    H.092
    H.250
    H.296
    H.297
    H.460
    H.566
    H.567 CONFISCATION BILL
    H.568
    H.709
    H.775
    H.R.11
    S.031
    S.141
    2017-2018 session (9)
    H.151
    H.206
    H.207
    H.220
    H.262
    H.422 CONFISCATION BILL
    S.006
    S.117
    S.221 CONFISCATION BILL

  6. Hey Bobdepino: So, you’ve done research. Are those all proposals for full confiscation and outlaw of guns in the State of Vermont? Wow. Missed the headlines on that.

  7. Hi Taylor I have a great idea. Now that your an expert on firearms and the people who would regulate them how about we debate this publicly. You and me or if you would like I will bring Bob Depino and you can bring anyone you want. I am thinking on TV for a full hours time.
    Ed Cutler
    President
    Gun Owners of Vermont

  8. Eddie Cutler I think an open honest debate is long overdue and it has been requested many times in the past… unfortunately it has never come to fruition for one excuse or the other..

    I think it would be great to have Bob DePino present with the actual facts so he can debunk any untruths that have been presented in this argument about gun control in Vermont.

    I know you attempted to debate Ann Brayden of gunsense Vermont several times but she refused..
    That show called Grassroots Vermont organization also turned out to be founded and funded by Michael Bloomberg.

    I think it is sad that we have Senator Philip Baruth, a New Yorker, in our Vermont Senate supporting another New Yorker Michael Bloomberg who is out to control guns throughout the United States of America..

    We need to elect decent representation in the state of Vermont to stop the atrocities that keep being presented to our legislature hoping they will be passed into law..

    Vermonters it is time to vote out these people that would violate their constitution of office and ignore the rights of vermonters

    Do not New York my Vermont gun rights

  9. If a person is deemed dangerous enough to have their firearms confiscated it is ridiculous to leave that person unsupervised. Professionals have testified that when they show up at home to intervene the people being abused will be facing the most dangerous and volatile period of the relationship. To simply remove firearms and leave the abuser free seems like lighting a fuse. No one is going to be calmed by having firearms confiscated and without a thorough search of the premises there is no way to determine that ALL of the firearms have been removed. Firearms can be borrowed or stolen and there are an infinite number of other objects that can be used as weapons to harm the potential victims.

    It is time to place the blame where it belongs, directly on the perpetrators of violence and crime. Our system of government is guarantees rights to individuals and in turn demands that individuals act responsibly. When a person is a danger to others they should not be allowed to move freely among the citizenry.

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