Seven Days political editor Paul Heintz on Monday with an AR-15 Credit: James Buck

A stranger handed me an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle Monday afternoon in a South Burlington parking lot. I handed him an envelope stuffed with $500 cash. We filled out no paperwork and completed no background check. He had no idea who I was nor what my intentions were, and he did not ask. Nine minutes after I met the man, I drove away with the sort of weapon used 39 hours earlier to slaughter 49 people in an Orlando, Fla., nightclub.

In Vermont, home to the nation’s most permissive gun laws, everything I did was perfectly legal.

My unexpected gun purchase began with a simple Google search for “AR-15 Vermont.” The top result, armslist.com, provided plenty of local options. I emailed one seller at 7:33 a.m. Monday and asked whether I could buy his weapon that day. Over the next several hours, we exchanged 18 emails.

The gun, he wrote, was in “fair condition” and needed only a $30 extractor arm. He said he’d cut the listed price by $50 and show me how to install the part.

“Does it shoot as-is?” I asked. “Hoping to buy ASAP. You’re in Burlington, right?”

By 10:11 a.m. we had settled on a plan.

“I would probably have to meet around 5ish, if that is alright. And how about the parking lot by Five Guys right off of Route 7?” the seller wrote, adding a few minutes later, “Also, I’m going to need you to bring photo ID.”

“Would it be OK if we skipped that step?” I replied.

“If you are visibly of-age then yes,” he wrote.

A little after 5 p.m., a young man wearing a blue flannel shirt, Carhartts and Timberlands approached me outside the Five Guys, which is sandwiched between a Chipotle and a GNC in a busy shopping center next to Interstate 189. The seller was tall and rail-thin, with short blond hair and stubbly facial hair.

“Hey, how are you?” he asked.

“Good. How are you?” I said as I shook his hand. “Nice to meet you.”

The man pointed to his car across the parking lot and suggested I move mine to the space next to it. He opened his rear passenger-side door, apologized for the car’s messy state and unzipped an olive green carrying case. The weapon was a generic AR-15, with a Radical Firearms mid-length barrel, an Aero Precision lower receiver and a Walther PS 22 red-dot sight. It came with three empty 30-round magazines.

The gun was no different than those used to kill 26 people in Newtown, Conn., 12 in Aurora, Colo., and 14 in San Bernardino, Calif. Police initially said the Orlando gunman used an AR-15 but later clarified that it had been a similar weapon: a Sig Sauer MCX.

“Really fun. Really easy to shoot,” the seller said as he showed me how to use it.

A young woman with blond hair and glasses sat in the front passenger seat. She remained silent and only once looked back at me and the seller, flashing a friendly smile.

“It’s so popular and easy and fun to shoot [because] it’s just about the most straightforward thing you could ask for,” the man said. “You know?”

“Well, that’s what I’ll need,” I said.

He handed me the weapon, the barrel of which protruded from the carrying case. I placed it in the backseat of my car and covered it with a jacket.

“Very good,” I said, handing him the envelope of cash. “Smaller bills. So, I hope that’s OK. Give it a look.”

“No worries, dude,” he told me. “I trust it’s all there.”

We shook hands. I got in my car and drove away.

Gov. Peter Shumlin, left, and Chittenden County State’s Attorney at a press conference Monday at the King Street Center Credit: Paul Heintz

Five hours before I bought the AR-15, I dropped by Burlington’s King Street Center, where several of the state’s top politicians and law enforcement officials were holding a press conference. Twenty minutes into the event, I asked Gov. Peter Shumlin — Vermont’s most powerful and uncompromising gun rights supporter — whether the previous day’s massacre had changed his views.

“No, because I believe you need a 50-state solution,” the third-term Democrat responded. “If you’re going to commit some heinous act, and you can buy the gun in New Hampshire, you’re gonna go get it in New Hampshire.”

I continued: “But right now in Vermont, any one of us here could walk down the street and get the same gun that was used in this attack, without any kind of background check at all. The person could do that if they have a criminal record, if they have a history of mental illness, or they could be on a terrorist watch list. If someone did that in Vermont, would that—”

The governor interjected.

“Paul, you’re as aware of the current law as I am, and it’s not quite as simple as you suggested,” he said. “But all I can say is: You know where I stand.”

Indeed, Shumlin’s position has barely budged since the start of the mass-shooting era. Even as he’s argued that Vermont should lead the way on labeling genetically modified organisms and limiting carbon emissions, he has cautioned against joining the 18 states that require federal background checks before some or all private gun sales. Last year, he threatened to veto a modest gun-control bill until it was diminished to what he called a “shadow” of its former self.

In that same period, other Vermont pols have evolved.

After the July 2012 shooting at an Aurora movie theater, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Congressman Peter Welch (D-Vt.) told the Addison County Independent that gun laws should be left to the states. Five months later, following the massacre at Newtown’s Sandy Hook Elementary School, all three began to reverse course — eventually embracing federal legislation that would ban assault weapons and mandate universal background checks.

Sanders, who was elected to Congress in 1990 after the National Rifle Association turned on his opponent, seemed to support the bill with some reluctance.

“If you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen,” he told me in a March 2013 interview.

Following a shooting last December at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic, former transportation secretary Sue Minter became the first gubernatorial candidate in recent memory to call for universal background checks in Vermont. Fellow Democratic candidate Matt Dunne declined to follow suit. Days later, after the San Bernardino shooting, he said he’d consider all options. In April, he endorsed universal background checks.

Former state senator Peter Galbraith, who entered the race in March, also supported them. On Monday, he upped the ante, calling for a ban on “weapons of war,” such as the AR-15. Minter, who had previously dodged questions about an assault-weapons ban, quickly followed Galbraith’s lead. Dunne’s campaign repeatedly refused to disclose his current position on such a ban.

Both Republican gubernatorial candidates, Lt. Gov. Phil Scott and retired Wall Street banker Bruce Lisman, said Monday that they continued to believe Vermont should enact no new gun laws.

At the King Street Center, some politicians were still finding their footing. Asked whether he supported universal background checks or an assault-weapons ban, Chittenden County State’s Attorney T.J. Donovan said, elliptically, “I support responsible gun ownership.” Asked again, he said, “I’m open to the discussion,” adding that enforcement of existing laws should come first.

Donovan, a Democratic candidate for attorney general, approached me after the press conference to amend his answer. All those buying firearms in Vermont should be subject to a background check, he said, “with the caveat of the efficacy of it.”

Asked what on Earth that meant, Donovan dropped the caveat.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, center, at a vigil Monday at Burlington City Hall Credit: Paul Heintz

Forty minutes after I bought the AR-15, I parked at the Burlington Police Department’s North Avenue headquarters and walked five blocks to Church Street. I left the gun in my locked car.

More than 1,500 people had flooded the downtown pedestrian walkway to mourn those killed and wounded Sunday at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando. They marched from the First Unitarian Universalist Society church to Burlington City Hall, some in silence and some singing. Family members, friends and strangers locked arms and carried rainbow flags and handmade signs.

“Love, not hate,” one sign read.

“We are Orlando,” read another.

Sanders, whose presidential campaign was coming to an end, marched beside his wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, and Pride Center of Vermont executive director Kim Fountain. U.S. Secret Service agents swarmed around them, hands near their pockets, and a depleted contingent of national reporters walked alongside. As Sanders passed Burlington City Hall, a group of people in front of him sang the 1969 antiwar ballad “One Tin Soldier.”

“Go ahead and hate your neighbor. Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of heaven. You can justify it in the end,” they sang. “There won’t be any trumpets blowing come the judgment day. On the bloody morning after, one tin soldier rides away.”

The congregation of mourners turned right on Main Street and amassed in City Hall Park. Community leaders, led by Fountain, Sanders and former state representative Jason Lorber, mounted the city hall steps and stood in the early evening sun, next to an American flag, a Vermont flag and a rainbow flag.

“Tonight we want to stand in solidarity with one another,” Fountain told the crowd. “We want to stand against the hate speech and the narrow-mindedness that led to this shooting in the first place. We must meet violence with compassion.”

Sanders followed Fountain to the podium and waved to the crowd. Thirty-three years earlier, when he was mayor of Burlington, he had called on the board of aldermen to formally recognize the city’s first gay pride march. Now, as a presidential candidate, he was there to mourn with the community.

“It says a whole lot about our great city to see so many people out here this evening,” he said, his eyes squinting from the sun’s glare.

Sanders offered his condolences and reminded his audience that while the Orlando gunman may have been Muslim, “To blame an entire religion for the acts of a single individual is bigotry — pure and simple.” Then he broached the topic of gun violence — perhaps the only issue on which rival presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had run to his left.

“All of you know that the weapon used in Orlando was legally purchased,” he said. “And it is time for us to really rethink something that I have believed for decades: whether or not it makes sense for people today to walk into a store and purchase a military-style weapon, which has one purpose and one purpose alone, and that is to kill people.”

Burlington Police Chief Brandon del Pozo on Monday with the AR-15 Credit: Paul Heintz

Shortly after the vigil, I met Burlington Police Chief Brandon del Pozo and Deputy Chief Jannine Wright in another parking lot for another gun exchange. This one, too, was perfectly legal.

Outside the department’s headquarters, I unlocked my car and opened the trunk. Del Pozo pulled the weapon out of its carrying case and inspected it.

“This is a, uh, AR-15,” he announced, holding it in both hands. “This is the civilian version of the military M16 — the nation’s assault rifle — used by the infantry in the Marines. This is similar to the weapon I used when I was in the Army National Guard as an infantry officer.”

In New York City, where del Pozo had spent much of his career, what I’d done would have been illegal. The chief seemed as if he were still adjusting to Vermont’s nearly nonexistent gun laws.

“We’re beginning to see some of the consequences of access to these types of weapons,” he noted.

A few minutes later, Lt. Dennis Duffy, the department’s firearms instructor, joined us in the parking lot.

“How much did you pay for it?” he asked.

“Five hundred dollars,” I responded.

“You got a deal!” he said.

I followed the officers into BPD headquarters and watched as Duffy called in the serial number to determine whether the weapon had been reported stolen.

“Dennis, the part that irks me is there was no background check,” del Pozo said, pointing in my direction. “He could be a jihadi or a right-wing Aryan guy or — he could work for [the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria]. I mean, he does have a beard.”

The radio crackled.

“All clear,” said an officer who had run the serial number through the National Crime Information Center database.

At del Pozo’s suggestion, I turned over the gun to the Queen City Police Foundation, which would give it to the department for use in training — so the BPD might be prepared if it ever encountered a mass shooting. I signed a receipt and walked out to my car.

On my way home, I stopped at Pearl Street Beverage to buy a six-pack of beer. The clerk, I noticed, was asking for identification from each of his customers.

When I checked my inbox later that night, I saw that the man who’d sold me the AR-15 had emailed shortly after I’d left the Five Guys parking lot.

“I don’t know you, but I trust that you have been watching the news,” he wrote. “Please don’t make me regret selling that firearm. It was good to meet you, and hope it was just what you were looking for.”

Paul Heintz was part of the Seven Days news team from 2012 to 2020. He served as political editor and wrote the "Fair Game" political column before becoming a staff writer.

115 replies on “The Gun: How I Bought an AR-15 in a Five Guys Parking Lot”

  1. OK, why are you people blaming the Firearm when it’s the person using it! This is not a gun problem it is a people problem, not only that it was a terrorist act. American has fallen so much because we are more concerned about others feelings and having a safe place. PEOPLE WAKE UP ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT YOURSELF! Nothing in life is fair or perfect. I’m so sick of everyone blaming everyone else and also inanimate objects. We are talking gun control not how to stop these sick SOB’s REALLY GROW UP PEOPLE!

  2. Paul Heintz I would love to sit down with you and show you the difference between a real machine gun and a semi automatic firearm.
    As you know I am a person who is an expert on the mechanics of them. I not only understand the difference but also the history of the development of both types.
    I am open to doing this at any time or place and would welcome any other reporter to also be there.
    If you want to do it please call me
    Ed Cutler
    President
    Gun Owners of Vermont
    802 463 9026

  3. Every mass shooter in recent history either passed a background check or stole their weapon. Not a single gun control measure that the the gun control crowd has put forward would have stopped a single one of these incidents.

    California is a gun control advocates wet dream. Their laws have long since wandered into the unconstitutional realm, yet San Bernadino happened. It is nearly impossible for a civilian to get a gun like an AR-15 in France but Paris happened.

    Perhaps it’s time we start looking at solutions that might actually work rather than pointing at the scary black gun that most gun control advocates know next to nothing about.

  4. Part 3
    While those who would like to see more regulation are obviously very passionate and committed to making our society a safer better place, they often speak with such a profound lack of understanding about firearms that it not only infuriates gun owners, worse, it makes it impossible for the gun owner to take the speaker seriously. I am not talking about things like confusing magazines with clips, I am talking about a fundamental lack of understanding about how firearms work, what they can and can not do. Gun Rights supporters tend to come across as insensitive asses who appear to have no grasp on how truly horrific these mass shootings are which completely infuriates those seeking stricter regulation of firearms and leaves them feeling vulnerable and under attack. There is so much hyperbole and hostility on both sides that it creates a situation where it becomes impossible to communicate and seek compromise. And for me, that is the part I find most infuriating…

  5. Part 2
    Somewhere between 27K and 32K people will die by firearms this year. Half of these will be people who take there own lives. This leaves us with about 15K who will be the victims of a firearms related homicides, accidents, or killed by police. Maybe a couple hundred of these fatalities will be caused by persons with a semi-automatic rifles. Thousands will be caused by handguns. This mass shooting thing is terrible, but, it tends to direct our focus and keep our attention on these horrific 1 time events which prevents us from looking at and understanding the totality of the issues we need to address as a society. The issue is not just guns. It is Guns, mental health, poverty, education…

    There are simply no objective scientific studies looking at firearms use across the spectrum in our society. The closest thing we have to a real objective study is the data gathered by the FBI and the census bureau for the department of justice which indicates firearms are used defensively about 200k times a year and about 15K people are murdered each year with firearms. We simply do not have an intelligent, nuanced, dispassionate understanding of this issue. Crafting intelligent solutions requires a solid understanding of the issue being addressed. One more time, we really need to stop reacting emotionally and instead seek an intelligent understanding of the issue that is built on a foundation of real data which will facilitate the sort of proactive action that will, hopefully, limit tragedies like Orlando and Sandy Hook. To support my point here, let me offer you “The Patriot Act.”

  6. Seven Days limits comments to 300 words, so this comment is going to be a little broken up…

    PART1 –
    OK, First, if we look at the issue of “Assault Weapons” it is a red herring. The reality, is that based on the FBI’s own numbers, you are more likely to be beaten to death than you are to be killed with a semi-automatic rifle, or, any rifle for that matter. The issue is handguns. 98% and change of all homicide deaths are from handguns. Anyone who tries to tell me they are anti-gun and immediately starts banging on about the need to ban assault weapons makes it instantly obvious they do not have a good grasp on the issue. Yes, I get it, an AR-15 makes it easier to kill many people in a crowd, it is scary looking gun. The one and only salient issue with the AR-15, is that it accepts a detachable magazine. If we were to ban the AR-15 and take them all off the street tomorrow, the same mass shooting could still happen the next day, why, because the non-military looking Ruger Ranch rifle, or for that matter any number of semi-automatic weapons capable of accepting a detachable magazine could be used just as easily.

  7. The article suggests that what happened here was something that COULD have been a nefarious action of some sort, since you met somewhere and made the deal out of the trunk of a car. In other words, the spirit of the article suggests that the seller (and you) may have been acting in a way that is less than up-front. A clandestine meeting to get guns, possibly to cause harm on others.

    Please keep in mind that Vermont law mandates that YOU, the buyer, whether through a dealer or the trunk of a car, maintains the responsibility to be sure the seller is acting in a lawful way. IF YOU ARE NOT 100% SURE whether the seller is acting in a way that has 100% good intentions and you proceed with the transaction as you did, then you are acting against the law.

    You did not know this guy and you did not make sure he was not committing a crime by selling you what may have been a stolen firearm. If that is the case, then you, Paul Heintz and Seven Days by condoning this piece, may have just broken the law.

    You may need to speak with a gun law lawyer to make sure you are not in trouble by having done this transaction and admitting to it in print. And, no, the first Amendment can’t get you out of this. Perhaps you got the police officer in trouble, too since he should have known enough to ask the question.

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