Bernie Sanders Credit: Matthew Thorsen

Former governor Madeleine Kunin still recoils at a male opponent’s claim that, as she recalls it, he’d be “more pro-female than me.”

When Kunin, Vermont’s first — and, to this day, only — female governor, ran for reelection in 1986, Burlington mayor Bernie Sanders told voters that he would do more for women if they replaced her with him.

“He claimed to be a better feminist than I was,” Kunin said this week in an interview with Seven Days. “It shocked me at the time.”

Sanders, now a U.S. senator seeking the presidency, has faced heightened scrutiny over his views on women in politics since CNN reported Monday that he’d declared in a private meeting that a woman could not win the White House in 2020. The other participant in the December 2018 meeting, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), confirmed the report.

“Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate,” said Warren, who is also running for president. “I thought a woman could win; he disagreed.”

Sanders has denied the story. “Well, as a matter of fact, I didn’t say it,” Sanders responded when asked about the alleged remark at a Democratic debate Tuesday in Des Moines, Iowa. “Anybody knows me knows that it’s incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States.”

Kunin, whose path to power in the 1980s coincided and sometimes conflicted with Sanders’, doesn’t believe her former rival. “As far as the conversation between he and Elizabeth Warren, I tend to believe her, since she’s been such a straight arrow on everything else,” Kunin said.

Sanders’ campaign did not respond to requests for comment.

The former governor has previously criticized Sanders over his approach to the 1986 race.

“When Sanders was my opponent he focused like a laser beam on ‘class analysis,’ in which ‘women’s issues’ were essentially a distraction from more important issues,” Kunin wrote in a Boston Globe op-ed at the height of his 2016 campaign for the presidency. “He urged voters not to vote for me just because I was a woman. That would be a ‘sexist position,’ he declared.” (Prior to writing the op-ed, Kunin had endorsed Sanders’ rival for the Democratic nomination, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.)

Madeleine Kunin Credit: Courtesy of Paul Boisvert

In her 1994 memoir, Living a Political Life, Kunin recalled a rally in Burlington’s City Hall Park the weekend before the 1986 election. According to her husband, who attended the rally in her place, Sanders proclaimed that she had done nothing for women.

Archival newspaper accounts confirm that “women’s issues,” as they were referred to at the time, came up repeatedly during the 1986 campaign.

That September, according to an Associated Press story from the time, Sanders held a press conference to tout his “women’s program.” That included increased funding for childcare centers and educational opportunities for women. He also touted his work as mayor supporting a domestic abuse shelter, job training for women, and a prohibition on housing discrimination against women with children.

“I am extremely proud of my record as the chief executive of the city of Burlington in supporting women’s rights,” he told reporters at the press conference. “If elected governor … I will continue to actively support the rights of women in all areas of our society.”

Days later, at a state convention of the National Organization for Women, all three candidates — Democrat Kunin, Republican Peter Smith and independent Sanders — declared their support for the Equal Rights Amendment. Kunin took the opportunity to defend her record, arguing that she had sought to close the pay gap between men and women in state government, founded a new program to help women get off welfare and hired a gender-diverse staff and cabinet.

“My whole political career has been the personification of the ERA,” she said, according to a Rutland Herald account.

The topic turned testy during a debate in late October when Sanders alleged that Kunin had not done enough to increase the availability of childcare.

“Sanders has made his record on women’s issues as mayor of Burlington into a cornerstone of his campaign,” the Herald reported at the time. “He has sought to show he would do more for women than has Kunin, the state’s first female governor. As part of his platform, Sanders has said major increases in funding for day care are needed to allow more women — especially single mothers — to work.”

Kunin’s response? “Bernie, I would just like to do one thing and that is to stick to the issues and stick to the facts and not question my honesty on any of these issues,” she said during the debate.

In one interview that year, according to Burlington journalist and activist Greg Guma’s book, The People’s Republic, Sanders dismissed Kunin as a lightweight.

“If you ask her where she stands she’d say, in the middle of the Democratic party,” Sanders said in the interview. “She’s never said she’d do anything. The confusion lies in the fact that many people are excited because she’s the first woman governor. But after that there ain’t much.”

In the end, Kunin won reelection with 47 percent of the vote. Smith claimed 38 percent and Sanders took just 14 percent. Four years later, Sanders would defeat Smith to win a seat in Congress.

Kunin, now 86 years old, says she’s disappointed that the country is still debating whether a woman could win the presidency. “It’s unfortunately a question in the air, but I think we can prove the answer is yes,” she said.

That doesn’t mean she’s determined who she’ll support in Vermont’s March 3 presidential primary. “No, I haven’t,” she said. “I’m waiting to see how this sugars off.”

Paul Heintz was part of the Seven Days news team from 2012 to 2020. He served as political editor and wrote the "Fair Game" political column before becoming a staff writer.

32 replies on “When Bernie Sanders Said He’d Do More for Women Than Vermont’s First Female Governor”

  1. If he had been quicker on his feet he would have espoused how thrilled he would be if Americans voted in a fake Native American president as long as she has the intention to pay attention to how the Repugs do not give a flying you know what about working folks.I am so looking forward to when no one (except those he pays) bothers to go to the Chumpish shrine after he dumps them all with a ‘Do not need anymore’ sign.

  2. Of all the major points to be debated, this is a point that the media, led by Jeff Zyucker’s CNN has decided to promote.

    Just keep in mind, here’s two leading Dem candidates for Prez, and at least one of them is lying.

  3. I stopped reading this article when they quoted someone calling Warren a “straight arrow on everything else.”

  4. Keep up the good work, Paul. The online misogynistic thug-army only proves that women are just supposed to stay in their place as the Ladies Auxiliary, at best. You gotta love the one woke commenter*s reference to Warren as *this lady.*

  5. The environment, the economy, impeachment and the federal government, loss of civil governance, and more … yet Seven Days, VTDigger and more insist on spending tons of “print” on this stupid story.

  6. I really look forward to making this lady vote Bernie Sanders for President in November 2020. You can feel the envy. Even she will have him be her President. That said, cheers to her. Beyond her being a useful-fool for the corrupt elites and DNC cronies trying to hurt his working class movement against the status-quo Establishment.

  7. straight arrow…. are we sure she wasn’t a cheap shot at Warren? Lol. Jk…She said with no irony tho…or awareness that warren has one of the greater reputations for lying, while Sanders is widely considered to be the most honest politician in Congress… Warren went to the gutter by leaking the manipulated story, confirming the story with cnn which she leaked earlier, and then trying to say Bernie said no woman could win, ever. Lol. Oh, you liar. She didnt even say vs trump or 2020. Warren went for the most gutter politics as possible. And now shes plummeting in the new post-debate polls because of it. And I read WaPo reports where Warrens aides admitted she was embellishing. Go figure.

  8. Bernie has surged in tonights new post-debate polls. Lol. Warrens slimy stunt failed, and it was Warren who plummeted. Lol. Nobody trusts the media, and one-sided articles like this are exactly why. Bernie is about to run away with this nomination and it wont be close. One poll tonight had him surge past Biden. Again, CNN and the corrupt media tried so hard to smear him, and he actually rose multiple points in the polls. Lol. You cant make this up.

  9. I’m not a Warren supporter.

    But You can tell just by the body language of both Warren and Bernie that he made a gaff, and warren rightfully called him out on it.

    The Bernie Supporters are upset that warren spoke up, and they would rather have her shut up, lose the election, stay home and bake cookies rather than defend herself.

    Oh the progressives and their hypocrisy.

  10. For a man with so much supposed integrity, Sanders sure has a long pattern of letting his campaign staff make the dirty attacks for him while he plays the surprised and somehow un-involved-in-his-own-campaign candidate. Didn’t that “rogue staffer” behind the anti-Warren script turn out to have been the actual campaign operation itself? You know, the one full of 2016 Jill Stein voters like his speechwriter Sirota and his spokesperson Gray?

    Such integrity. A rather bigly amount, you might even say.

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